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Old 07-11-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Rockport Texas from El Paso
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Who is a threat to the sanctity of marriage? Are the gays who if they get domestic equal rights are going to convince married people to "switch sides"?

Do politicians like Ensign, Craig and Sanford make a joke of marriage when they campaign on these issues and then are caught being sleazeballs? Dems are almost as bad but they don't moralize about it and they quickly resign and hide under a rock (McGreavy and Spitzer etc).

If 60% of the current generation get divorce and many more live in cheating or abusive marriages is it ok that marriage works for a small minority?

I've done some marriage counseling and many divorces for 30 years ( yeah have dual degrees) and really got into it for curiousity. What I see isn't so nice because many of the worst marriages are people who can fool everyone by holding hands in public etc

What about "alternative lifestyles" ? The mainsteam media gives little attention to them but they seem to divorce less. Take a look at Craigslist -casual encounters and you see them everywhere. On some sites such as Adultfriendfinder you find 8 million members but its just not discussed openly.

Any ideas on this broad topic?
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Rogers, AR
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No one other then my husband or I can be a threat to the sanctity of our marriage.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:54 PM
 
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If people want to get married that is entirely their business AND it should be possible regardless of sexual orientation.

As far as I can tell the "sanctity" of marriage is a myth anyway.
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Old 07-11-2009, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Nova Scotia
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I think everyone is a threat to marriage. It does not make a difference if you are gay, straight or bi. I believe it is the individual, if you are a straight married couple you can and will end in divorce. Same as gay couples.

I am sorry but I still am shocked that a question like this is even asked in todays time. To me what you are or what your sexual preference is makes no difference. People are people. Whether you are a man and woman married or two men married or two women married, it makes no difference. If the relationship is not working it will end in divorce, regardless of the sexual preference.

To me marriage means two people who are in love and make a commitment to each other. It has no bearing if it is to the same sex or opposite sex. Love is Love.
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Old 07-11-2009, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Well, its obviously isn't it? I blame Massachusetts, Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, and Iowa for the actions of Ensign and Sanford.
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Old 07-12-2009, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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Sanctity is a religious standard, not a legal one. Marriage is based on religion and making a covenant between two people. The marriage license is a legal document plain and simple. Any couple should be free to marry, regardless of race, gender, etc. However, no religious institution should be obligated to approve of a union between homosexuals. The legal side should be independant of religion as many non-religious marry for its legal benefits. Sanctity is not threatened as long as government does not change religious standards.
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Old 07-12-2009, 01:37 AM
 
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...Marriage is based on religion....
Not necessarily.

There was marriage long before religion hijacked it and started applying their own definition and moral standard to the union.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:32 AM
 
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Who is a threat to the sanctity of marriage? Are the gays who if they get domestic equal rights are going to convince married people to "switch sides"?

Do politicians like Ensign, Craig and Sanford make a joke of marriage when they campaign on these issues and then are caught being sleazeballs? Dems are almost as bad but they don't moralize about it and they quickly resign and hide under a rock (McGreavy and Spitzer etc).

If 60% of the current generation get divorce and many more live in cheating or abusive marriages is it ok that marriage works for a small minority?

I've done some marriage counseling and many divorces for 30 years ( yeah have dual degrees) and really got into it for curiousity. What I see isn't so nice because many of the worst marriages are people who can fool everyone by holding hands in public etc

What about "alternative lifestyles" ? The mainsteam media gives little attention to them but they seem to divorce less. Take a look at Craigslist -casual encounters and you see them everywhere. On some sites such as Adultfriendfinder you find 8 million members but its just not discussed openly.

Any ideas on this broad topic?
You haven't been around CD much lately is Adultfriendfinder where you have been? LOL
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Old 07-12-2009, 08:12 AM
 
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I believe in the separation of church and state, so I also believe marriage should be separated between the two as well. If a person joins a certain religion and marries within it, their marriage can be sanctified according to the regulations of that religion, and legalized by the state. If gays want to marry, their marriage may not be sanctified by a certain religion, but it will be legalized by the state.
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Old 07-12-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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Before the Native Americans were transformed into Roman Catholic worshipers, those who were gay were considered to have a special spirtual connectiveness, called Two-Spirts.

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The term "Two-Spirit" refers to a belief among some tribes that there are people who manifest both masculine and feminine spiritual qualities. According to Native American scholars, many tribes once revered Two-Spirits, viewing them as a third gender with a special spiritual connectedness. In these tribes, Two-Spirits filled important tribal roles as counselors, storytellers and healers.

This belief, scholars have also observed, has been eroded in many places by the imposition of Judeo-Christian views of homosexuality as sinful.
Gay Native Americans Rediscover 'Two-Spirit' Identity

Why are we spending so many millions of dollars to "protect" our way of life when the "alternative" way of life was accepted for so mamy thousands of years before chrisitianity? Heck, it wasn't even that big of a deal in Alexander's time, which speaking in years we have been on this planet as a species, wasn't all that long ago. Come on. The debate is to force ones religious beliefs on another while the other pushes back. Just now, we can't hang them, chop their heads off, or stone them in public, at least in the US, for doing so.
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