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Old 07-14-2009, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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There are many incidents across the United States every day where a firearm is used by law abiding citizens to protect their lives and that of their loved ones. You probably will never see any reporting on these incidents unless you have access to the local newspaper where the actual events took place.

This website <http://www.keepandbeararms.com/> collects reports of DGU's and provides links to the stories behind the events. This list is usually updated Monday through Friday.

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Old 07-14-2009, 08:32 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I have been to quite a few interdepartmental LE 'competitions', involving courses of fire ranging from Bullseye, standard PPC, and three gun runs. Quite a bit of the shooting skill I saw exhibited was not what you would expect to see from 'trained pros'. Our Northern NV Steel Challenge clubs put on separate LEO only shoots, which are the only competitions most of the cops will come to outside the departmental stuff. Even a lot of the SWAT types I have watched compete were just flat not that good. As I have siad before, this puzzles me. If I carried a weapon as part of my job, and my job was supplying all the ammo I could shoot, which is the case with most LE depts, It would be a common thing for me to burn through 5 or 6 hundred rounds a session 4 or 5 times a week. Before the component crunch I did this regular just to get ready for civilian competition. Ammo cost has ...trimmed... my live fire practice a bit. The local LE range here is a s*** hole right now. It used to be quite nice when a certain guy ran the cops shooting quals. He has passed on (RIP) and the 'new breed' feels weapons training to be beneath them, or they want to be paid overtime to practice with all that free ammo.. I don't get it , at all. Therefore, I take my personal protection seriously and personally. Besides that my son and I enjoy shooting. It is an athletic pursuit, that hones the mind and body as surely as any other sport.
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:44 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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Hunters do not hunt with handguns.
That statement is total B.S. Many folks hunt with hand guns, I think it may be more popular than bow-hunting.
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Columbia, California
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,,,,Hunters do not hunt with handguns.
Yes, we do. I use a redhawk with a 2x scope for deer hunting. I know many people who do as well.


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One can always keep a rifle or shotgun as protection if you fear for your safety...eventhough it is much more likely that the gun will be taken from you and used against you!
Just take a moment off your milk carton and try to swing a broom in your home, bathroom and hallway. After finding it impossible, how would you swing a shotgun/rifle in the home?


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Let's not get into the second admendment...That is for another forum.
No exceptions! Can't ignore that they are lawful

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I know this will not reduce the homicide rate too much, but even if it is a little, I feel that it is worth it. Why should people have to suffer just so some yahoos can shut up empty beer bottles?
People have been killing each other for centuries, if guns are removed they will use broken bottles, your broom stick, etc,,

More people die in one day by automobiles than a years worth of shooting victims. Why do nuts not attack the driving code?
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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If I hear someone break into our house with enough seconds to grab the (loaded) handgun, you could bet I would not wait until his/her hands are on my neck before I shoot. There is absolutely NO ONE besides us two who needs to trespass and violate my home or threatened our lives.
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:14 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Default You talkin' to me?

I've hunted and shot for years. I used to carry a S&W Mdl 29 4" in the Canadian & Alaskan Arctic for protection when I was doing polar bear research. (Now when I visit the Alaskan bush, I carry an 8" bbl'd 454 Casull. It's "sufficient!)

I qualified in the Canadian Army (No jokes at their expense please. Buncha good guys, and generally, good shots!) with, among other things, the FN High Power 9mm pistol. Nice well made piece! Finally, now I'm a gunsmith.

Point is, I'm not particularly nervous around handguns, but many people are, they assuming that handguns are somehow treacherously dangerous and prone to shooting people in the foot all by themselves. Let me tell you; it ain't so!

Why have a handgun? Why indeed! Because they are the most "handy", and concealable powerful weapon, and the best thing as a fight stopper without even being fired. I know; in my pre-retirement career, I spent a lot of time driving the roads in the Pacific NW, and twice (not once, but twice) I had to reach for my PARA 45 to create a lasting and sudden disinterest in me on the part of some guys who otherwise would have beat the literal cr@p out of me after they stole my wallet and nice watch, and probably, my car.

Why? Because now (It must have been all that Arctic cold...) I have serious arthritis, and couldn't begin to fight my way clear of anything. I'm also 62, not as young and spry as I was back when I ran up and tickled the toes of some sleeping polar bear.

So... you want to legally disarm me? Me? Frankly, I'd just go on carrying, 'cause no-ones' going to pat down an old guy minding his own biz, walking back to his car at the Wal-Mart. But if some thuggos decide I'm an easy mark, well, I'm not.

And that's my right in this country. It's mostly why I moved here from The Northern Socialist Hell-hole, and I thank my lucky stars for it.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Hunting and handguns? Not so much. Hunting is normally done with a rifle. And not a military grade weapon either.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:15 AM
 
Location: In a house
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I would like to commend the municipal governments of DC, Chicago and San Francisco for outlawing handguns. I find these types of firearms completely unnecessary. Hunters do not hunt with handguns. One can always keep a rifle or shotgun as protection if you fear for your safety...eventhough it is much more likely that the gun will be taken from you and used against you! Don't think that a home invasion robber will give you time to load up your gun! Let alone the fact that child will suffer from accidents from these firearms because of their parents irresponsiblity (this will always happen). Additionally, I do not see the desire to even have fun with these types of weapons. BANG! The glass bottle breaks! WHO-HO! So much fun at the expense of our society!
So, because you can invent & imagine bad things its ok for these places to create millions of helpless victims? I can tell you for a fact that if a robber comes in my home he will not have to wait even one second for me to load a gun. As far as my children they can shoot too & unlike yours & the children of people like you they know what a gun can do & will not be useing them inapropriately.

Also theres alot of handgun hunters out there. Its quite obvious that you are simply a clueless loudmouth.

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The gun lobby makes the claim that most guns used by criminals are bought illegally. However, trace the history of that gun to its very beginning...I doubt street thugs are manufacturing their own guns...some may be smuggled in but these I am sure would be harder to get.
Hm, they use cars much more than guns, matter of fact I doubt you could find a gun crime that a car had no role in. But the FACT is that guns are use an aweful lot more by honest folks to stop a crime than they are used for anything else.

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Let's not get into the second admendment...That is for another forum.
So, for the sake of arguement you want to ignore the constitution? I guess its safe to conclude that you are admittedly applauding these municipalities for violating the citizenry's civil rights?

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I know this will not reduce the homicide rate too much, but even if it is a little, I feel that it is worth it. Why should people have to suffer just so some yahoos can shut up empty beer bottles?
Actually, if you actually looked before jumping you would notice that it increases the homocide rate at the same time it prevents untold thousands from defending themselves.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:23 AM
 
Location: In a house
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RVLover, people live in much worse places than you, like DC and do not own handguns! You are paranoid! Anyway, if the remote possibility occurs that you are attacked, they'll even give you the chance to even pull out your gun?
Do you propose to speak for millions of people living in those cities? Lets see your research? I imagine theres lots of them wish they could own a defensive firearm.

Who's paranoid? The guys who say you can have what you want as long as you obey the law, or the guys that want to outlaw things they have no personal knowledge of?

IMO if you want to see paranoid you need only look in the mirror.
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:27 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Hunting and handguns? Not so much. Hunting is normally done with a rifle. And not a military grade weapon either.

You hunt often?
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