Hangman's Noose Racist..? (Putin, generation, statistics, weapons)

[BoydS]

Is a rope in the shape of a hangman's rope really racist..? IMO. No..! If there are other factors invovled, like name calling, hassament, etc and the noose is displayed ... then, yes I would call that racist. But to consider the noose alone without any hassament should not be considered racist.

Hanging has been carried out on many criminals for many years all over the world, no matter the skin color. Why is it in recent years that this has become a symbol of racism..? Wasn't the Confederate flag enough..?

The recent case in Houston was misunderstood, but an apoligize was made. Cooler heads pervailed after looking into the facts. But as soon as a noose was discovered, everyone jumps to a conclusion that it's racist.

HFD captain apologizes for hangman's knot | Breaking News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Fireman sorry about noose : State : Abilene Reporter-News

[moonshadow]

Another firefighter found the rope in Capt. Keith Smith’s locker in February and, offended by what he saw, took a picture of what he thought was a hangman’s noose.

So let me get this straight, someone was poking around in somebody else's locker, decided to take offense at what they found, PHOTOGRAPHED what they saw AND then made a complaint WHICH has now been taken up as some kind of battle against racist symbolism?

I'm offended but it's not because of the noose.

[Pandamonium]

Oh yeah it is a racist symbol. It is usually called lynching and although there were whites etc. that were also hung, especially early on, the majority were African Americans.

Sometimes this was done by the Klan but sometimes it could be something as jacked up as "looked at a white woman" and a bunch of people got together and created their own "justice". In fact, Du bois and the NAACP would hang flags everytime someone was lynched. They worked tirelessly to stop it.

The work of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People was tremendously effective in awakening the nation to the urgency of stopping lynching. The NAACP, an interracial civil rights protest organization founded in 1909, made thorough investigations of lynchings and other crimes committed against Negroes, and informed the public concerning them. In 1919 the NAACP published Thirty Years of Lynching in the United States, 1889-1918, which was a revelation of the causes of lynching and the circumstances under which the crimes occurred. Beginning in 1921, the NAACP sponsored antilynching legislation such as the Dyer Anti-Lynching Bill and numerous other proposals to make lynching a federal crime.

79.02.04: The Negro Holocaust: Lynching and Race Riots in the United States,1880-1950


I found an old newspaper article from the 1930's where the count was somthing like 38, I have it somewhere if I have some time I'll try to dig it out.

If you scroll down this page, there is a picture of a lynching.
Lynchings in America (http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/african/2000/lynching.htm - broken link)

Tuskagee Institutes Stats
Lynching Statistics

[Pandamonium]

Some lynching photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind us that we have not come as far from barbarity as we’d like to think.

There is another lynching photo 100 Photographs that Changed the World by Life - The Digital Journalist

More photos
Journal E: Without Sanctuary: Lynching Photography in America

[moonshadow]

Excuse me but nobody is disputing that black people were lynched OR that it was horrific but it's a huge leap from that to this AND quite apart from that this latest lunancy would have black people taking ownership of something that doesn't only apply to them, negating the very real suffering of others FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

This is the kind of stupid ruling that ends up banning boy scouts from knotting badges.

[moonshadow]

I'll repeat it again for those in the back row that didn't hear me the first time.

Another firefighter found the rope in Capt. Keith Smith’s locker in February and, offended by what he saw, took a picture of what he thought was a hangman’s noose.

So let me get this straight, someone was poking around in somebody else's locker, decided to take offense at what they found, PHOTOGRAPHED what they saw AND then made a complaint WHICH has now been taken up as some kind of battle against racist symbolism?

I'm offended but it's not because of the noose.


Fire Captain Smith has apologised for having something in his PRIVATE locker that someone else sought out by GOING THROUGH HIS LOCKER, decided they were offended AND then made a big song and dance about racism. Fire Captain Smith isn't of the generation responsible for the lynching of black people, he didn't hang the noose in public view, he didn't wave it in anybody's face, he made no threats. His privacy was violated, someone deemed that privacy offensive AND then demanded an apology for it for something which clearly hadn't even happened to them if they were around to whine about it.

I'd liken it to being about as racially symbolic as forcing an 18 year old Serbian boy to apologize for having a penis because it offended an 18 year old Albanian girl who had unzipped his trousers.

[texdav]

If you look at history of gangs in many east coast cities those coties were divided in territories by rqacist gangs, Noiw racist gangs are not just i california prosons but have gone thru out prison eveywhere. They are a major influence on gangs in the coutry now. They are devided by race more and more. Gangs like MS13 are based on rqace and very violent leaving signs that warn others about their intent.Get caught in many cities and be the wrong race in that area and you really have problems.

[Pandamonium]

Perhaps I should have been more clear.

I'm not interested in precisely how YOU are offended.

Nobody wants to "claim" a noose. That is pretty daft.

There are symbols that strike fear. The noose is one of them. There is a reason for that. Perhaps the OP was not aware. Now, there is some recent history on the matter.

I don't know if I can slow that down much more for you.

[Reads2MUCH]

Originally Posted by Pandamonium

Perhaps I should have been more clear.

I'm not interested in precisely how YOU are offended.

Nobody wants to "claim" a noose. That is pretty daft.

There are symbols that strike fear. The noose is one of them. There is a reason for that. Perhaps the OP was not aware. Now, there is some recent history on the matter.

I don't know if I can slow that down much more for you.

To some the cross may be a symbol of fear, should we destroy them all and ban their manufacture. Guns, bombs, tanks, etc. all symbols of fear to anyone who has been confronted by them. Yet this little knot, tied into a length of rope, is such a strong symbol of fear that we should ban them. You know, it is a very useful knot.

Oh, and yes, there is some recent history on the matter. I saw you mentioned Jena. I find it very amusing that some people seem to think the alledged presence of a certain knot hanging in a tree was reason enough for six men to beat one guy nearly to death. Is that the recent news you were talking about? Sorry, but you seem to have some agenda here that really doesn't make a lot of sense. Or atleast, your reasoning doesn't make much sense.

Yes, many black men and women were hanged with a noose. Hanging was also the primary way of administering the death penalty for many civilizations for hundreds if not thousands of years. I think it's time to just admit this stigma surrounding the noose is a bit ridiculous. At least, as far as it being some sort of racist tool. It is a knot, that is it, and that is all. Now if the Klan comes walking down the street carrying nooses on sticks, that is a different matter. But, that isn't the case here. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion, just like many supposed racial issues of late. Why is that, do you think?

[Pandamonium]

What agenda? The question was, and correct me if I'm wrong, is it a racist symbol? The answer to that is yes, and here is why it is considered a racist symbol. If you do not know that history then here it is. That would be recent history. I'll get back to that in a sec.

The question is not ban all weapons of mass destruction or ban crosses or ban the noose. Use the knot but don't hang it in a tree. If you read the articles, the NAACP said, no this guy was villified for no reason. That guy stated that he was not aware of the symbolism or the history and now he is.

Now, why did it get blown out of control? Why is that happening now? Largley due to the media. Conflict is news. Also, we saw or I saw, specifically, an increase of those who did not like Obama prior to his election because he was Black. I watched this on a specific forum. We have had race relationship problems for quite awhile. Simmering in some areas. But here is what I truly believe is the problem: lack of education. I think that is the biggest problem. This lack of awareness. This lack of recognizing triggers.

The thing about Jena is that it was done to get a specific reaction and there is no justification for the reaction that he got. Its a trigger, its a hot spot, be aware. Be aware of the history of symbols be aware of the names. I read history all the time, in doing so, I have learned that time is relatively short. So, Jena is not "my" version of recent history.

For example: A white female and a black male that I work with had a discussion. It seems that someone from his department climbed over something and should not have but it was necessary at the time. So, she says to him, "Which little monkey climbed over?"

He was shocked and had the most horrified look on his face. It took about 60 seconds for him to recover enough to leave the scene. So, what was the problem? She was not saying it in a racist manner. He was not looking for something to be racist. She truly was not aware of the negative impact of what she was saying. He knew exactly the negative connotation of that word. Therfore, my agenda is this: if you do not know what the history is........then here you go. Now, you know. Once you know then you cannot pretend that it doesn't exist.