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Old 09-02-2009, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Originally Posted by AxisMundi View Post
And who, pray tell, would want to change their sexual orientation in such a manner?
Just a little fiction, here: but not an implausible scenario:

"Bob" is a big, strapping, man's man. He just loves to get busy with women. He loves it so much, he's been married twice, already. Both women cleaned him out. So most of the money he makes goes to child support and alimony. His multi-million-dollar inheritance went to his ex's, too. And on top of that, he's realized that he really, really, dislikes the ladies, except for the sex part. That's why he decked the first wife, and beat the second wife pretty severely (the former wives really lucked-up with that...they got EVERYTHING he owned).

But staying loyal to Bob, through all his troubles, has been "Brett". Brett is even bigger and more strapping and manly than Bob. Brett is a regular stallion, in fact: something that becomes quite obvious when they are together in the locker room. You see, Brett is Gay.

Bob only slowly realized this about his pal. And it took longer for him to accept this inconventient fact. But the two guys love each other like brothers. And Brett has a nice, new 4200 sq. ft. McMansion on a golf course, and has invited Bob to move in, "no strings attached". It would allow Bob to move out of the dilapidated trailer he can barely afford to rent.

Fact is, Brett has it so bad for Bob, he would more than willingly shoulder such a financial burden. But Bob realizes what he means to Brett, and cannot bring himself to impose in that way...knowing that Brett's unrequieted love must be painful for him.

Then one afternoon, doing his hour on the Stairmaster, Bob sees a doctor on The Okra Show. Okra is ecstatic to announce that her friend-doc is marketing a new drug that can permanently cause a man to become gay. Bob realizes that his soul-mate can now become his life-partner!

Only one course of the psychotropic drug, and Bob has no interest in women at all. He is free to enjoy every curve and pinnacle of Brett's strapping body, and is free, at last, to be as mentally intimate with Brett as he never could be with those women. At last, they both know true love.

Brett Buys Bob a new Miata, and they both live happily ever after (until Bob drops dead on the Elliptical Trainer, and his relatives clean out His and Brett's home, while Brett is at the funeral...even though Brett paid for almost everything).

The End

 
Old 09-02-2009, 11:45 PM
 
Location: where the moss is taking over the villages
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Smile Nature's Intentions

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Originally Posted by jungeon View Post
I remember having this debate some time ago in a social science class. Gay people argue that they do not choose to be gay, yet being gay or having an attraction to the same species is clearly not a behaviour intended by nature in a species that is suppose to reproduce using a male and a female. So if gays do not choose to be gay, and it is not the way nature intended most people to use their bodies, otherwise we would all be hermaprodites, then is gay a disease, hormonal imbalance, or something else. I lean towards Hormonal imbalance or mild disease of the mind but am want to hear other views.
Yet nature allows gays to be parents. Some actually do procreate although the union may not last in the traditional sense. You have your head in the wrong place! Pull IT out! Open your eyes & your mind!

Nature has more nuances than we can comprehend.

Did nature intend a species, such as our own, to overpopulate itself? A species with the intelligence to use birth control?

Tell me, if your crystal ball is working today, what Nature really intends to see our species accomplish.

I don't believe Nature expects all of us to procreate just because we have the organs & eggs/semen.

Nature rulz.

Kate
 
Old 09-02-2009, 11:48 PM
 
Location: MN, someday AK
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Firstly, the current marriage system also guards against fraudulent use of the institution, ie marrying more than one wife as it is currently illegal to do so. It also ensures that both people are of a legal age to do so in that State.

Marriage also bestows, automatically, over a thousand local, state, and federal rights and privilages, all recognized in each state, and even internationally as well. Such rights include joint custody of natural and adopted children and the right to direct their schooling and medical treatments, power of attorny, joint ownership of property, etc.

The Institution of marriage confers upon the spouses a familial relationship for legal purposes and concerns, and places the spouse as the primary "family member", over-riding all other family members in those legal concerns listed above and all others as well.

What tax concerns there are are only a small portion of those rights and privilages.

Very good explanation of all the details I did not feel like writing out. You are definitely well-informed. So, my next question to everyone is... Why do we continue to deny all of those rights listed above to people whom are homosexual? Why is it just because they are attracted to the same sex and would like to live happily with one another they are considered abnormal and do not deserve the same legal rights as heterosexuals? Personally, I don't see any reason why not. They just want to be shiny, happy people like everyone else
 
Old 09-02-2009, 11:57 PM
 
Location: MN, someday AK
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You make no sence whatsoever, perhaps becasue you show a certain lack of understanding about homosexuality, and are confusing biological sex with homsoexuality.

Axis, I think you are mistaken. I think what Memphis is trying to say is that someday, maybe, with the advance in technology, you may be able to go into a clinic and pick out different genetic traits you would like to have or change about yourself. So this is how it would look. You walk into what resembles a stand up tanning bed and BAM! you're changed! You are now everything you've ever wanted to be. Blonde hair instead of brown, taller than before, a whiz at forensic science, and a homosexual. All the traits/characteristics you picked out and paid for at the front desk. Or the other way around, someone could go in and change all those things and choose to change and be heterosexual instead of homosexual. Its kind of like the concept that someday, as a pregnant woman you will be at the clinic and the doctor will be able to scan through all of your babies genes, make sure there are no diseases and also let you pick out different traits you'd like your kid to have. With the way technology is going, it will probably happen. Oh and please don't comment back about the immorality of it all. I'm very aware of how politics would play into an idea like this and how the two sides of the argument will fight back and forth. I was just laying out a scenerio.
 
Old 09-02-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: MN, someday AK
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I thought I would chime in on this topic. It's irritating to me to listen to responses from people who aren't gay. I'm talking about the "it's a choice" or "disease" comments. How do you know if your not the one living as a gay man or woman? First let me say I'm gay. I also have hazel eyes, left handed,vegetarian(that was a choice) etc.. Being gay for me is just a part of who I am, BUT it's not all I am. I was raised in a typical midwestern family. Mom, dad, sister and brother. I went to church, played baseball, hung out with friends. I was never molested, didn't grow up with overbearing female figures,was not exposed to porn, didn't know any gay people. Nothing that is suppose to make one "choose" or become "infected" with homosexuality,lol. I can understand why people think it's a disease or choice. We in the gay community are all lumped together as one type of being. The public only see's what is shown or told to them. Misinformed, that is what is irritating. All straight people aren't the same. Some have made bad choices for themselves from the way they were raised or circumstances in their lives. Same with gay. I don't like all gay people. Some are not the kind of folks I want to associate with. Same with straight. I think some folks struggle with sexual identity if rape or abuse was involved. That is not my experience so I don't know. I do not choose to be gay. I'm not infected with homosexuality. I am who I am with no apology to give because I have done nothing wrong. I deserve to live my life filled with joy with my partner because it's my right as a human being. With all the chaos in this world, why can't we as one human family get it already??? Why is it so hard to respect one another? We are all different but have the same basic needs. It's not just about sex.
You are awesome. I like this.
 
Old 09-03-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: MN, someday AK
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Originally Posted by GrandviewGloria View Post
Just a little fiction, here: but not an implausible scenario:

"Bob" is a big, strapping, man's man. He just loves to get busy with women. He loves it so much, he's been married twice, already. Both women cleaned him out. So most of the money he makes goes to child support and alimony. His multi-million-dollar inheritance went to his ex's, too. And on top of that, he's realized that he really, really, dislikes the ladies, except for the sex part. That's why he decked the first wife, and beat the second wife pretty severely (the former wives really lucked-up with that...they got EVERYTHING he owned).

But staying loyal to Bob, through all his troubles, has been "Brett". Brett is even bigger and more strapping and manly than Bob. Brett is a regular stallion, in fact: something that becomes quite obvious when they are together in the locker room. You see, Brett is Gay.

Bob only slowly realized this about his pal. And it took longer for him to accept this inconventient fact. But the two guys love each other like brothers. And Brett has a nice, new 4200 sq. ft. McMansion on a golf course, and has invited Bob to move in, "no strings attached". It would allow Bob to move out of the dilapidated trailer he can barely afford to rent.

Fact is, Brett has it so bad for Bob, he would more than willingly shoulder such a financial burden. But Bob realizes what he means to Brett, and cannot bring himself to impose in that way...knowing that Brett's unrequieted love must be painful for him.

Then one afternoon, doing his hour on the Stairmaster, Bob sees a doctor on The Okra Show. Okra is ecstatic to announce that her friend-doc is marketing a new drug that can permanently cause a man to become gay. Bob realizes that his soul-mate can now become his life-partner!

Only one course of the psychotropic drug, and Bob has no interest in women at all. He is free to enjoy every curve and pinnacle of Brett's strapping body, and is free, at last, to be as mentally intimate with Brett as he never could be with those women. At last, they both know true love.

Brett Buys Bob a new Miata, and they both live happily ever after (until Bob drops dead on the Elliptical Trainer, and his relatives clean out His and Brett's home, while Brett is at the funeral...even though Brett paid for almost everything).

The End

Haha! Wow! You should be a writer. As twisted as this story is, its very entertaining. nice.
 
Old 09-03-2009, 02:34 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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I've heard of actual women who like the idea of being lesbians. In particular women who suffered from long-term sexual or spousal abuse. (Maybe Bob's first and second wife would therefore want to get together, although I don't know how common this is among abuse survivors)

I've rarely heard men express this idea, but that might be cultural. (Also relationship abuse is like 90% male against female or against other male) My guess would be the only guys who'd find this appealing would be straight men with very few straight men as friends who have also had consistent failure at heterosexual relationships. Even then it might not be too common. (Men are more conservative about sexuality than women. On average I think women would be more likely to accept or at least tolerate a woman "converting to lesbianism." I think men would, generally, be more uncomfortable)
 
Old 09-03-2009, 02:50 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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I've heard women that came out of bad relationships with men say "I'm gonna go be a lesbian" but you can't just "go be a lesbian", unless you always were one..it's not something you go to the local community college for...
 
Old 09-03-2009, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You make no sence whatsoever, perhaps becasue you show a certain lack of understanding about homosexuality, and are confusing biological sex with homsoexuality.
Are you born gay or not?

If you are, then its biological that you would want to have sex with members of your own sex. If not, then its a choice, and all of the haters have been right.

Personally, I believe homosexuals are born that way. I was born hetrosexual, but I feel that since I was born this way, I know perfectly well what it feels like to be attracted to a human, just like they do. It makes no difference if you're gay or straight, you are simply attracted to different people. Now i don't know what it feels like to be discriminated against, or hated for the way that I am. For that, I have great impathy for them. However, they were born abnormal. Even if 51% of us were straight, and 49% were gay, it would still be abnormal, because the normal would be being straight.

Since it is a genetic abnormality, (I know, science hasn't found the "gay" gene yet, but they are working on it), then there is no reason to get upset by saying its abnormal. Its simply a scientific term. It doesn't make them weird, it doesn't make them evil, its simply abnormal. Its abnormal to be born left handed. Its abnormal to be born with blue eyes. Its abnormal to be born with blonde hair.

I think you have me all wrong. I am not trying to be down on homosexuals, I have homosexual freinds. Saying that they are born that way, and then saying its not a genetic abnormality doesn't make sense. If you are born with something, then there is something in your genes that makes you that way.
 
Old 09-03-2009, 04:25 AM
 
Location: 30-40N 90-100W
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Are you born gay or not?

If you are, then its biological that you would want to have sex with members of your own sex. If not, then its a choice, and all of the haters have been right.
Personally I think there are other options.

Does one choose to have a younger sister? No, but except for twins they're not born with younger sisters either. Is one born with English as their first language? No, but that's not precisely a choice either. Early environmental factors are not choices as such. Whether homosexuality is caused by early environmental factors I personally think that has a role at least some of the time.
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