Being Gay, Choice, Disease or Other? (difference, females, gay people, program)

[trmihall01]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Actually back then in ancient Roman, Greek, Babylonian, Egyptian it was more of a choice since most of those ancient pagan societies had it as part of their religion. And mostly, as is true of it's modern day coming out of the closet beginning in the late 70s - 80s, it was a rich crowds pursuit, no all, but many. Many of those ancient religious temples had temple male temple protitutes as well as those public Bath Houses where such choice behavior was openly excepted. Of course it was this same popularity with modern day Bath Houses in the late 70s early 80s that had to be dealt with because of public health issues and nothing more. Again even government shut down had nothing to do with predjudice, but protecting public health concerns.

This thread is not dealing with imagined or real homosexual paranoia persecution complexes. It's simply a discussion of could it be a choice or a genetic disease and clearly it is both. No one has introduced the hatred card here except you and a couple other posters. If this paranoia is that serious then again perhaps the A & A Playground is the proper platform to deal with this and gain support for any percieved persecution issues you may be experiencing for the moment.

You know its funny to me that when your points are debunked you feel the need to point someone to another thread. I am on this thread, this is where i choose to be and post. If you do not like it, dont read or respond to it. The only problem I am experiencing at present is the that you try to use every venue possible to point out that there's something wrong or unnatural about being homosexual, when the simple truth is that it is a natural thing for alot of people, just as much a heterosexuality is for you. It is a hate thing whether or not you want to admit it, or I guess a fear thing for most, much like the race issue in this country, just because you don't openly admit something just means your still trying to fool yourself, but, hey atleast the rest of us get it!

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

I did indeed slog through the research.

Well this of course would account for the hostile attitude to the research. You just slogged. Perhaps you could contact these researchers/scientists who made these major studies and show them where your personal research can prove them to be liars!!!

Originally Posted by ExitMundi

I've no idea where you get off pretending to tell me where I can and cannot post on any given subject. And you are indeed delusional if you think that my showing the laughability of your premise, and proving it wrong as well, is grounds for even suggesting I psot elsewhere just goes to show you don't have any credibility whatsoever.

Wow, when you really have no answer, then simply tear out some script from the A & A Playbook add a few Dawkinian terminology and it saves the day. Again this is not some religious verses Atheist discussion. I've already told you they have a playground here for that type of activity.

Originally Posted by ExitMundi

Homosexuality has existed long before the advent of ANY chemicals.

No one said it was'nt around. It's just that today while the choice card still exists, there are other serious factors you can blame the god of scientifism on. People effected by what science has brought us clearly DO NOT have the same option of choice. I'm simply acknowledging that I am aware of that.

Originally Posted by ExitMundi

This isn't a matter of "accountability", wherever you plucked that ludicrious idea from, this is a simple matter of You Are Wrong.

Clearly some sort of accountibility paranoia complexes going on here. Again the O.P. never meant to bring up the hatred mire that seems to be churning up here in this clearly agitated sea of debate.

[trmihall01]

For the record it may at times be a choice ( i tend to think that leads to bisexuality) but it is most certainly not a genetic DISEASE. Muscular Distrophy is a genetic disease, CP is a gentic disease, MS is a gentic disease. Homosexuality is a born trait, much like the color of eyes and hair!

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by trmihall01

You know its funny to me that when your points are debunked you feel the need to point someone to another thread. I am on this thread, this is where i choose to be and post. If you do not like it, dont read or respond to it. The only problem I am experiencing at present is the that you try to use every venue possible to point out that there's something wrong or unnatural about being homosexual, when the simple truth is that it is a natural thing for alot of people, just as much a heterosexuality is for you. It is a hate thing whether or not you want to admit it, or I guess a fear thing for most, much like the race issue in this country, just because you don't openly admit something just means your still trying to fool yourself, but, hey atleast the rest of us get it!

I did'nt say you could'nt debate here. What I have said is the hatred, paranoia and persecution complex have nothing to do with the O.P.'s first post and no one else has brought it into the picture but you and one or two others.

Again if you don't like the science then contact Peter Meyers, Theo Colborn and Dianne Dumanoski and let them be aware that your superior intellectual research into the matter has exposed major flaws in their findings and that you demand they shut their site down immediately. I would have no problem if you had personal research in that regards and what conclusions they may have on your personal findings with regards Bisphenol A. If you refused to obtain the book, then perhaps some free info from their website might suffice. Here, let me help you find it.

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This is also not a question or debate about wrong or right. No one has brought that up but you and again a couple of other choice posters. I have worked with many who were of the homosexual persuasion and enjoyed them as co-workers. They were honest hard working people. But this paranoia here is clearly an indication of other deeper more complex issues you may have regarding others whom you assume because they don't practice your version of sex must somehow be right-wing bigots. I don't even vote or support any government on the planet. So I have no political right-wing agenda. Again, this thread has nothing to do with your off balanced psycological mindset you must be shackled to. You may want to take care of that.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by trmihall01

For the record it may at times be a choice ( i tend to think that leads to bisexuality) but it is most certainly not a genetic DISEASE. Muscular Distrophy is a genetic disease, CP is a gentic disease, MS is a gentic disease. Homosexuality is a born trait, much like the color of eyes and hair!

You've got several scientists with no other agenda than helping the public become aware of a major health threat to our planet and human society. They have proven that chemicals created by science for big business have indeed caused a hijacking of genes during fetal development and as the replication domino goes, it gets worse with each successive generation. They call not only this, but a whole host of other modern day ailements genetic diseases. Take it up with them and show them that your own personal scientific research proves them wrong.

[trmihall01]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

You've got several scientists with no other agenda than helping the public become aware of a major health threat to our planet and human society. They have proven that chemicals created by science for big business have indeed caused a hijacking of genes during fetal development and as the replication domino goes, it gets worse with each successive generation. They call not only this, but a whole host of other modern day ailements genetic diseases. Take it up with them and show them that your own personal scientific research proves them wrong.

You know the funny thing is that during nursing school and all the way through to my ACNP which is a doctorate degree I studied genetic diseases, and wow guess what, homosexuality was never mentioned. We have no diagnosis code for homosexuality and unless it has to do with a pts treatment, sexual orientation is never asked or mention in treatments for medical issues. But hey I guess my 10+ yrs schooling and training in medicine was to cure real diseases, not the made up ones in your head. Also I would like to mention, I am rather glad you don't vote, however, I DO!

[mainelander]

Originally Posted by trmihall01

For the record it may at times be a choice ( i tend to think that leads to bisexuality) but it is most certainly not a genetic DISEASE. Muscular Distrophy is a genetic disease, CP is a gentic disease, MS is a gentic disease. Homosexuality is a born trait, much like the color of eyes and hair!

and where would u put say albinoism?

[AxisMundi]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Well this of course would account for the hostile attitude to the research. You just slogged. Perhaps you could contact these researchers/scientists who made these major studies and show them where your personal research can prove them to be liars!!!

Feel free to point out where I stated THEIR research was flawed. The flaw is in you attempting to connect their research with homosexuality.

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Wow, when you really have no answer, then simply tear out some script from the A & A Playbook add a few Dawkinian terminology and it saves the day. Again this is not some religious verses Atheist discussion. I've already told you they have a playground here for that type of activity.

Once again, feel free to show where I brought a Religion/Atheism context into this discussion.

Also, just because someone shows that your premise is inherently flawed doesn't negate the simple fact thet YOU are wrong, nor does it require someone to "go post on another board".

Originally Posted by bluepacific

No one said it was'nt around. It's just that today while the choice card still exists, there are other serious factors you can blame the god of scientifism on. People effected by what science has brought us clearly DO NOT have the same option of choice. I'm simply acknowledging that I am aware of that.

And yet once again, ALL diseases, genetic or otherwise, can be found in the various diagnostic codex. Since you will NOT find any diagnostic code for homosexuality, ONCE AGAIN you are proven wrong.

And the organizations responsible for those codex state, unequivicably, that homosexuality is NOT a choice. Of course feel more than free to point to any degrees you might have superior to these professionals and these professional peer review groups.

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Clearly some sort of accountibility paranoia complexes going on here. Again the O.P. never meant to bring up the hatred mire that seems to be churning up here in this clearly agitated sea of debate.

I see, so people who disagree with you, AND show your opinions and "evidence" to be inherently flawed and just plain wrong, not only are "required" to take it to another board, but are also "spouting hatred".

You are simply wrong, so man up and admit it.

[AxisMundi]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

.....This thread is not dealing with imagined or real homosexual paranoia persecution complexes. It's simply a discussion of could it be a choice or a genetic disease and clearly it is both. .....

The only person who is bringing in any paranioa complexes is you yourself.

And we still await the diagnosis code for homosexuality, AND your professional degrees which would negate mental health professionals and entire peer review groups.

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

The only person who is bringing in any paranioa complexes is you yourself.

And we still await the diagnosis code for homosexuality, AND your professional degrees which would negate mental health professionals and entire peer review groups.

Several weeks, and several hundred posts later, you're absolutely obsessed. You repeat the same mantra and, regardless of who else is posting, you absolutely refuse to so much as listen.

You obviously have an extremely unhealthy and hostile fixation with homosexuality.

Talk about cramming your agenda down people's throats... Sheesh!