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Old 08-24-2009, 07:42 PM
 
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First they take away out guns, then they take away out knives. Then ? Are they gonna take away our shovels and toothpicks too?
Don't forget ropes and pointy sticks.
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Old 08-24-2009, 08:05 PM
 
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Don't forget ropes and pointy sticks.
Pointed sticks?

Then they'll be after our bananas and wild tigers!

(Monty Python reference for the Britcom illiterate)
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Old 08-24-2009, 08:09 PM
 
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I'll let you answer your own question. (Post #24)
Hello, that IS self-defense NV was talking about.

"Well officer, the guy LOOKED like he might rob me, so I walked up to him and shot him in the face" is not self-defense, and what you're trying to claim NV is saying.

NV is saying, quite clearly I might add, that should someone walk up to him with a gun or knife, and demanded his wallet and cellphone, THEN NV would shoot him in the face.

And so would I for that matter.
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Old 08-24-2009, 08:11 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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Pointed sticks?

Then they'll be after our bananas and wild tigers!

(Monty Python reference for the Britcom illiterate)
They'll have to pull the banana out of my cold, dead fingers!
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Old 08-24-2009, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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NV is saying, quite clearly I might add, that should someone walk up to him with a gun or knife, and demanded his wallet and cellphone, THEN NV would shoot him in the face.

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And I would run away. That's the difference between people who want to maximize and who want to minimize the number of gunshot killings.

No matter how good NV is with a gun, sooner or later he will run into somebody better (or luckier). NV is a good state for him to be living in, if he is that kind of a high roller, but I'm not.
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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And I would run away. That's the difference between people who want to maximize and who want to minimize the number of gunshot killings.

No matter how good NV is with a gun, sooner or later he will run into somebody better (or luckier). NV is a good state for him to be living in, if he is that kind of a high roller, but I'm not.
"And I would run away." and chances are, depending on which area you are accosted, merely die tired as the criminal shoots you in the back.

I also do not appreciate your ad hominem either.

We pro-gun-right people don't want to "maximize the number of gunshot killings", ignoring for the moment that the vast majority of criminal killings with firearms occur with illegally aquired firearms.
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Old 08-24-2009, 09:36 PM
 
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Default Plenty posts...little info

There are plenty of posts here, but little info about my question.

Anyway, I found this article by John Stossel of ABC News.

RealClearPolitics - Commentary - Myths About Gun Control By John Stossel

And again here, as item number 5,

Myths, Lies and Straight Talk - ABC News

Are there any other articles or facts out there?
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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"And I would run away." and chances are, depending on which area you are accosted, merely die tired as the criminal shoots you in the back.

I also do not appreciate your ad hominem either.

We pro-gun-right people don't want to "maximize the number of gunshot killings", ignoring for the moment that the vast majority of criminal killings with firearms occur with illegally aquired firearms.
Ad hominems are perfectly appropriate responses to arguments that are based entirely on one's personal behavioral preference, without offering any factual data to support the "I'd rather" argument.

It's time for you to provide statistical data that supports that a person who walks away from a robber is more likely to be shot than not. Or whatever the hell you mean by "chances are", which is a pretty vacant presentation of persuasive data.

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Old 08-25-2009, 04:11 AM
 
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Ad hominems are perfectly appropriate responses to arguments that are based entirely on one's personal behavioral preference, without offering any factual data to support the "I'd rather" argument.

It's time for you to provide statistical data that supports that a person who walks away from a robber is more likely to be shot than not. Or whatever the hell you mean by "chances are", which is a pretty vacant presentation of persuasive data.
considering, you can't prove that ANYONE successfully runs away from an armed assailant unscathed....
this isnt the movies bucko. people die from that ****
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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considering, you can't prove that ANYONE successfully runs away from an armed assailant unscathed....
this isnt the movies bucko. people die from that ****
How many armed assailants have you shot? Or are you one of those who died from that ****? This isn't the movies bucko.
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