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I am extremely happy that I was circumcised at birth. If I have a son, I'll be circumcising him as well. I have had a lot of contact with various uncircumcised penises (yes, I'm gay) and cosmetic appeal is only the smallest reason to have it done. Uncircumcised penises are disgusting. They REAK! I am not going to be pc about that. Nearly all of them smell bad and some that I have come into contact with give off an odor that I swear could kill a rat. Lots of people say that uncircumcised men simply have to have good hygiene, but its not that simple. It is extremely difficult to keep an uncircumcised penis clean. For instance, uncircumcised men are supposed to do a through cleaning of their penis after every urination. There are vary few public restrooms in America where this can be done without publicly exposing oneself. The urine collects and remains inside their foreskin, interacting with the mucus membrane to create the most foul smell a human being can produce. Its not a burden I would want to put on my future children (if any come along).
More lubrication might take care of that if extreme phimosis isn't present. The pain comes from a frenum that's too short to permit full foereskin retraction. Even with penile and vaginal lubriction such a frenom might prove painful. Mine was painful for a while but then after numerous lubricated vaginal penetrations it gradually stetched to a comfortable length. However, it can still get irritated now and then. To be honest, I would have preferred circumcision at birth and be done with the hassle.
The foreskin comes with the male body, it should not be removed, it is there for a reason.
I want mine back.....but at least I got to let my 3 sons keep theirs.
With all due respect, please, please, please teach them how to clean their penises then. They DO smell, horrific in fact. I don't care what people do to themselves or their children, it's a personal choice, no doubt. BUT, as a woman, I have had partners in the past who were uncircumcised...it's stinky and unattractive. I just couldn't get past it (my problem, I know). Only my two cents...
I am extremely happy that I was circumcised at birth. If I have a son, I'll be circumcising him as well. I have had a lot of contact with various uncircumcised penises (yes, I'm gay) and cosmetic appeal is only the smallest reason to have it done. Uncircumcised penises are disgusting. They REAK! I am not going to be pc about that. Nearly all of them smell bad and some that I have come into contact with give off an odor that I swear could kill a rat. Lots of people say that uncircumcised men simply have to have good hygiene, but its not that simple. It is extremely difficult to keep an uncircumcised penis clean. For instance, uncircumcised men are supposed to do a through cleaning of their penis after every urination. There are vary few public restrooms in America where this can be done without publicly exposing oneself. The urine collects and remains inside their foreskin, interacting with the mucus membrane to create the most foul smell a human being can produce. Its not a burden I would want to put on my future children (if any come along).
You know what, you've had contact with some filthy dudes.
I'm uncircumcised and keeping your schlong clean isn't all that hard, and you know what, if one engages in sexual activity and one *does* smell a little, there's always soap and water right then and there.
And lets face it, women can smell pretty horrid too, does that warrant surgical invasion on their private parts too?
I'm not denying it makes sense in some places (parts of Africa where AIDS is a massive problem) or that it isn't the only solution in certain medical conditions, but doing widespread elective surgery on infants that have no say in the matter, a surgery that is well known to cause complications for enough people for it to be a concern, simply because it's fashionable, or in some cases religious, should be stopped.
If people of legal age want a circumcision by all means allow it, but surgery is not a good alternative to teaching people proper hygiene. If that was a good argument, I'd be chopping away at my underarms.
Religion fails to provide a good reason for it as well, Women are circumcised for religious reasons, and that is illegal, why should male circumcision be any different?
With all due respect, please, please, please teach them how to clean their penises then. They DO smell, horrific in fact. I don't care what people do to themselves or their children, it's a personal choice, no doubt. BUT, as a woman, I have had partners in the past who were uncircumcised...it's stinky and unattractive. I just couldn't get past it (my problem, I know). Only my two cents...
Here's an idea: Tell them to clean it before you go near it, it would do the trick.
If they have permanently smelly private parts, regardless of good hygiene, I'd urge them to see a specialist, because something is wrong with their junk.
Additionally, wouldn't it feel better to interact with a clean (non smelly) normal penis instead of a circumcised one, where you can't tell if it's clean or not?
Additionally, wouldn't it feel better to interact with a clean (non smelly) normal penis instead of a circumcised one, where you can't tell if it's clean or not?
^^ This reply makes no sense at all to me. Circumcised penises are easier to clean and be kept clean. Circumcised penises don't have a foreskin making smegma and trapping in bacteria. It seems to me that as long as a circumcised penis smells clean as if freshly showered, then that's clean enough for me. How can you say that a clean smelling circumcised penis might not be clean?
And I suppose uncircumcised men will have higher water bills if they need to wash their privates more often. So it's cheaper to be a circumcised man.
Anyway, I will never ever have sex with an uncircumcised man. And that's just my personal preference. No big deal. How someone looks and smells does affect how attractive they are to a potential romantic partner.
I agree with InsaneTraveler. I'm glad to have been circked at birth. It is cleaner IMO. No regrets no blame. I don't see the point of this whole argument. What is past is past. Sorry, that's how I feel (or don't feel, pun intended).
What I think was not mentioned in this thread - perceived social status benefits of circumcision, especially in the status conscious USA. Circumcision was/is? a mark of an upwardly mobile American male quite unlike those uncircumcised European peasants fresh of the boats who were doomed to rot in the slums. It was a mark of belonging to a higher social caste. Just a reminder "private" toilets and showers are relatively recent luxury. In the olden days, school, army and other institutions provided ample opportunities for the peers & higher ups to see your junk. Humans can turn just about anything into a status item. No wonder that yesterdays European' peasants wanted their kids to fit, to belong, to exhume status potential. Uncircumcised American male was virtually extinct for a while in the US, higher social status urges of the recent immigrant were not the last on the list of the "reasons why".
I feel (cannot prove obviously) that certain group of people are upset with increasing number of people choosing not to circumcise not because of health, pleasure or religious reasons but because American status symbols are slow changing, poster child image of being an American is being undermined, the Americannes itself could be in jeopardy. Circumcise your child, save America.
^^ This reply makes no sense at all to me. Circumcised penises are easier to clean and be kept clean. Circumcised penises don't have a foreskin making smegma and trapping in bacteria. It seems to me that as long as a circumcised penis smells clean as if freshly showered, then that's clean enough for me. How can you say that a clean smelling circumcised penis might not be clean?
And I suppose uncircumcised men will have higher water bills if they need to wash their privates more often. So it's cheaper to be a circumcised man.
Anyway, I will never ever have sex with an uncircumcised man. And that's just my personal preference. No big deal. How someone looks and smells does affect how attractive they are to a potential romantic partner.
What I meant was that it appears that some make the argument for circumcision based on cleanliness and apparently, smell.
My point was that one should keep ones private parts clean regardless, and if circumcision makes men clean it less...
Smegma and bacteria isn't an issue if you use commons sense and clean your penis when you shower, smell is not an issue of you use common sense and maintain personal hygiene.
It sometimes sounds more like the issue at hand here is to teach American men proper hygiene, because reading threads like this, it certainly sounds like they need a class or two on it.
If you shower or clean your privates once a day (with water and/or soap) and after intercourse/ejaculation, you'll rarely have issues with smell, smegma or anything of that nature.
Whether or not you'll have sex with an uncircumcised man isn't the issue, you are free to do as you wish. The issue is whether or not it's ethically viable to keep mutilating infants by the millions for predominantly aesthetic reasons. And using cleanliness as an argument in that debate is not valid, as it's a non issue if people teach their children proper personal hygiene.
What would be the issue with waiting until the individual is old enough to make an informed decision on the matter themselves? Something tells me that would severely reduce the rates of this elective surgery.
You know what, you've had contact with some filthy dudes.
I'm uncircumcised and keeping your schlong clean isn't all that hard, and you know what, if one engages in sexual activity and one *does* smell a little, there's always soap and water right then and there.
And lets face it, women can smell pretty horrid too, does that warrant surgical invasion on their private parts too?
I'm not denying it makes sense in some places (parts of Africa where AIDS is a massive problem) or that it isn't the only solution in certain medical conditions, but doing widespread elective surgery on infants that have no say in the matter, a surgery that is well known to cause complications for enough people for it to be a concern, simply because it's fashionable, or in some cases religious, should be stopped.
If people of legal age want a circumcision by all means allow it, but surgery is not a good alternative to teaching people proper hygiene. If that was a good argument, I'd be chopping away at my underarms.
Religion fails to provide a good reason for it as well, Women are circumcised for religious reasons, and that is illegal, why should male circumcision be any different?
Is that how children are raised where you are from? You just wait until they are older and let them make all the decisiosn for themselves? Should I vaccinate my baby...I don't know wait and ask him. Should I send her to school....I don't know wait and ask her.
Because were I come from that is called neglect. I make a lot of decisions for my children based on what I think is best for them because that's what a parent does. I believe having a bris milah for my son was one of the best gifts I could give him. If you don't, then I am all for your choice to keep your son's foreskin intact.
I just really can't understand why strangers are so interested in my son's penis. I promise you he is fine and hasn't spent a minutes thought on it. So why should you?
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