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Old 06-02-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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It matters to me that people continue to mutilate their children with a barbaric and unnecessary procedure. This is the 21st century, people need to get with the times and get rid of these outdated medical procedures.

I absolutely agree with this post a million percent.!!!!!


some things that were good decades ago are just not needed or necessary for today.

 
Old 06-02-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: in your dreams
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I absolutely agree with this post a million percent.!!!!!


some things that were good decades ago are just not needed or necessary for today.
I agree.

And I also find it ridiculous that people pick and choose from the Bible only when it suits them in a debate.

I know you suckas are sinning left and right, just like the rest of us!
 
Old 06-02-2011, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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I agree.

And I also find it ridiculous that people pick and choose from the Bible only when it suits them in a debate.

I know you suckas are sinning left and right, just like the rest of us!

I agree.

and just some food for thought, the bible is what?, over 2000 years old....I am sure it has been modified a little here and there....


so take that for what it is worth !
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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Though I am not sure I am going to get a truthful answer....may I ask, if you feel this is the "mutilation of children" what other ways do you advocate against this other then the occasional online debate rant? I mean my goodness chidren are being mutilated according to you. That to me is worse then child abuse and poverty and hunger combined. If I felt children in my own community were being mutilated, debating online would be the least of my concerns.

That said, I think I will take professional doctors and the AAP's opinion over yours. Unless you think there is a conspiracy that doctors and professionals are secretly in the business of advocting for the abuse and mutilation of children? Can you explain why medical professionals are not against such a horrible act if it is indeed as you describe "barbaric mutilation"?

Also, my son cried harder and longer and was in visibly way more pain after his vaccinations vs his brit milah. So does that mena you feel vaccinations are torture and abusive?
Doctors are in the field for money, of course they're not going to go against it. That's also why I chose a midwife when I had my son because THEY are not in it for the scads of money. For what its worth, my son's pedi is also against circumcision. There ARE professional doctors against circumcision: http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/

As for vaccines, they are a necessary evil, but yes I am somewhat against them, we do a delayed schedule, but that's not part of this thread.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The AMA and AAP are both actually pretty careful not to make any recommendations about what decision parents make with regard to circumcision. The quote above sounds like an endorsement of leaving boys intact, but it isn't. It's not recommending either, merely stating that circumcision isn't medically necessary. In other words, they are not touching circumcision for ritual, religious or aesthetic reasons because neither is there a medical reason NOT to circumcise. Whatever the parents' reasoning, for or against, it's good enough.

It's not my intent to be combative. I take the same stance as the AAP - it doesn't really matter one way or another.

Are you certain that the unacceptable safety risk is not related to anesthesia rather than the procedure itself?
Well what it states, and I quote "The benefits of circumcision are not significant enough to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure and that circumcision is not medically necessary".

What that means is that from a medical viewpoint, circumcision as a routine procedure is not recommended. I agree with you 100% that the statement does not touch upon other reasons for circumcision, because as doctors, that's not their field. Their job is related to the medical field, not the religious.

That being said, what it does mean is that any argument for circumcision based on health or hygienic is moot, as there is no significant benefits to it, medically. Good hygiene is a medical issue, as it prevents illness, if circumcision was imperative to adequate male hygiene, their statement would not have read the way it does.

It's also worth mentioning that the post you quoted was an answer to someone claiming circumcision has proven medical benefits, this is untrue and at best, a gross exaggeration. I replied to that post, directly responding to this claim.

As far as my arguments regarding male circumcision based on other factors than medical, I refer to my previous posts, if you have any questions or comments for me beyond what I've already said in those, feel free to ask.

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And what does it matter to YOU what someone else does with their penis?

No offense, but I find it very disturbing that strangers are "passionate" about my son's penis, quite frankly. People who "devote their emotion" to the happenings of a loved, healthy, well adjusted, and happy little boys body parts makes no sense as is not logical to me in any way. So it is very concerning as a mom to hear people like you get so wriled up about something that has no affect on you but does affect my children.
If one were to follow that line of reasoning, are you also very disturbed that others are passionate about your sons school curriculum? His access to proper health care? His right to grow up in a safe environment and his rights to the same access of societal benefits as anyone else?

All those topics directly affect your son in one way or another, and "strangers", as you refer to other people, are very much passionate about these topics. If these topics do not disturb you to the same extent as the topic of circumcision do, what in your mind is the difference?
 
Old 06-02-2011, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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Well what it states, and I quote "The benefits of circumcision are not significant enough to recommend circumcision as a routine procedure and that circumcision is not medically necessary".

What that means is that from a medical viewpoint, circumcision as a routine procedure is not recommended. I agree with you 100% that the statement does not touch upon other reasons for circumcision, because as doctors, that's not their field. Their job is related to the medical field, not the religious.

That being said, what it does mean is that any argument for circumcision based on health or hygienic is moot, as there is no significant benefits to it, medically. Good hygiene is a medical issue, as it prevents illness, if circumcision was imperative to adequate male hygiene, their statement would not have read the way it does.

It's also worth mentioning that the post you quoted was an answer to someone claiming circumcision has proven medical benefits, this is untrue and at best, a gross exaggeration. I replied to that post, directly responding to this claim.

As far as my arguments regarding male circumcision based on other factors than medical, I refer to my previous posts, if you have any questions or comments for me beyond what I've already said in those, feel free to ask.
No problems b/w you and me as far as I can tell.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 04:09 PM
 
Location: in your dreams
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And what does it matter to YOU what someone else does .....?

No offense, but I find it very disturbing that strangers are "passionate" about ....

People who "devote their emotion" to the happenings ... makes no sense as is not logical to me in any way.

So it is very concerning as a mom to hear people like you get so wriled up about something that has no affect on you but does affect my children.
These things do affect us all; as humans, as men, women, and children, and as a part of a reproductive society as a whole.

The fact that you're disturbed with people being "passionate" about something...says more than you realize.

I think people should be passionate about all kinds of things, in fact, anything! It may not be something we agree with, wanna hear about, or think even matters. And while it may not change the world instantly or even at all, it does help change things in even the very slightest way: by giving ourselves a voice, and allowing others to speak theirs.


Sharing knowledge, information and ideas with people is something in itself to be passionate about. Just sayin'.
 
Old 06-02-2011, 04:28 PM
 
Location: exit 0
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I would suggest that you read the stickies at the beginning of this forum.

There are way too many posts to delete in this thread that are off topic or do not conform to the rules of this particular forum.

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