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Old 08-25-2009, 04:05 PM
 
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We have an ever growing population and in this world we have the mentality that everyone must work. So, in our current economic situation when there just simply aren't enough positions for the amount of people out there, what do you do?? Is it really feasible to just wait around for years for the world to recover and what do you do in the meantime? My question is that simple, even if we were to retrain every single person, i doubt we we really allocated that many people back into work, so what is the solution??

I realize this is always an issue, but right now we have a great number of people that simply have no power left to do anything. Their money and possessions are gone, along with their home, so what do they do?. There is this tenting community in RI, but they are on state land and are probably going to be evicted, they tried, but evidently will fail.

Its just frustrating, capitalism is cannibalism, and normal people are always the ones who get dumped on.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The better question is, when automation reaches a cost effective level to put human workers out of their assembly line job, what do we do then?

I fully expect to see fully automated assembly plants in my lifetime, and they've come really close already. People are going to either have to adapt fast, to some kind of service job, or we are going to have to go socialist to provide people with all of their basic needs.

Of course, sooner or later, there will be new jobs created, and people will have to fill those, but there will be times where unemployment will be very high because of automation.

We are already experiencing part of this in the United States. As our labor costs are to high, companies went overseas to find cheap labor, to keep costs down. This is the main reason why robotics aren't catching on as fast as they normally would have. There are a bunch of chinese willing to work for next to nothing right now, but even that labor pool will run out sooner or later. The cost of living is already increasing in China, and the more it goes up, the more expensive labor will become.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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IMHO space is our only option.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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IMHO space is our only option.
Damn fine point, I agree. We need to spread out, its when we are at our best. Of course, people are worried about the deficit, so now they are talking about not even going back to the moon.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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We pay them to say home. So they don't take jobs from people who want to work. So they don't contribute to commuter traffic jams. So they don't disrupt the work place. So they don't call in sick all the time and make somebody fill in for them.

Just give them half the normal pay for a grunt job, and tell them to stay home. That would be enough to live on with decent food and shelter and dignity for their family, which everybody is entitled to as a birthright, whether you personbally approve of them or not. If they discover that they need or want more, they'll be back to work to earn it. If they don't, the wheels will keep turning without them.
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Old 08-25-2009, 05:33 PM
 
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Damn fine point, I agree. We need to spread out, its when we are at our best. Of course, people are worried about the deficit, so now they are talking about not even going back to the moon.
I feel (and fear) that it will be the Big Corperations who will take us into that future.

Can't remember if it's in Nevada or New Mexico, but there is a brand new Space Port slated to open soon. One of the things they will offer is space tourism as well as cheaper satalitte launches.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The problem is between those who are prevented from working in comparison to those who will never work. There are some people in life that are either unable to stay at work due to an uncontrolled mental problem or have personalities that don't work well with others and they don't care. I've known a number of people in both, and they externalize the blame to the companies and to the people there. One would be at a job for about a month and would pick a fight with their boss because they wanted to express their dominance, another would go into the interviews and tell everyone there how much better she was then them, even another worked as a car salesmen and he would total the dealership cars they gave him. These people cannot be "helped" into anything till they realize how their own character flaws are sabotaging them.

To get those who are out of work into jobs when they forced out is a macroeconomic problem of growth. I would say allowing more tax breaks and incentives for entrepreneurship. Space is a good option for growth for natural resources and investment, as well as robotics, nano tech, and many forms of biotech.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Near the water
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As our labor costs are to high, companies went overseas to find cheap labor, to keep costs down.
I'm going out on a limb here ... but, I'm assuming you really didn't mean to say US labor costs are too high. Wages have stagnated for decades here, so it's not a wage cost issue.

At issue is the freetraders and the neoconfused taking advantage of inappropriately written tax law which encourages them (the oh-so-struggling corporations) to move overseas. Whilst the same Neanderthals bemoan taxes out of one side of their mouths, they secretly love the higher profits, aka slave wages, no health care costs, no environmental costs, ad nausem. These half-wits do NOT want any re-structuring in the tax law whatsoever.

Stay out of walmart and buy American made products/services. It takes time, commitment, and a willingness to shake off the hooray for me, and to hell with everyone else attitude.

But, their end will come. They are short-sighted, driven by greed, and dumber than a common, everyday fencepost.
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Old 08-25-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: southern california
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so far they do nothing about it.
WTW has become a farce, "good cause" constitutes 45% of participation.
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Old 08-25-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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OK, you're an employer. An applicant comes in and turns out to be the only honest applicant for the job, because he says "I don't want to work, but they say I have to do, so what do you want me to do, I'll go througy the motions." Will you hire him, or will you just whine about people who don't want to work and tell him to go and apply to some other sucker to give him a job?

In other words, are you willing to pay the wages of a person who doesn't want to work? Or do you think you can force him to want to? Who do you think should hire these people?

Some single mom with medical and behavioral issues and a lot of grudges about how she slid so low on the ladder. I don't see the Congressmen competing to get this woman on their staff, I just hear them whining about how she "won't work".
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