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Old 09-09-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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Yes, the Dems have a wonderful idea. Force every American to buy something from a private company. Why did I think there were two political parties in this country.
Going to have to rep you for that post.

Because what they SAY is far apart....
....actions are a different story.

Any dems that are too young to remember the Bill Clinton (R) presidency are now getting the crash course but most are drunk and passed out in the corner on the kool-aid. "Obama is going to make us a green country with healthcare for all and no war in Iraq and Afghanistan....pass the punch please it's delicious!"

The reps got their lesson during the 8 years of Bush II....where is the puking emoticon when you need it?
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Old 09-09-2009, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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This does not look like a good solution. The alternatives are to rack up medical bills or pick up private insurance. If you haven't been shopping lately, private insurance policies have high premiums and very high deductibles. There are a few which are not as expensive, however they provide limited coverage, many exclusions, and an extensive search for preexisting conditions.

Fines proposed for going without health insurance - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul - broken link)
Absolutely incredible. Yet another chilling reminder of how Democrats are unable to shake their distorted visions of utopia.

My eight year-old is taking Pre-Algebra and my 11 year-old Honors Algebra 3-4. Under similar misguidance, I guess I should expect a fine for a non-public mathematics curriculum.

The dems simply have no principle upon which they design policy save for bureaucracy and "feel goodism." Sheer lunacy.

Clearly, they come from the same land as the new First Lady of Japan. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...5812DV20090902

S.
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Old 09-09-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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Absolutely incredible. Yet another chilling reminder of how Democrats are unable to shake their distorted visions of utopia.

My eight year-old is taking Pre-Algebra and my 11 year-old Honors Algebra 3-4. Under similar misguidance, I guess I should expect a fine for a non-public mathematics curriculum.

The dems simply have no principle upon which they design policy save for bureaucracy and "feel goodism." Sheer lunacy.

Clearly, they come from the same land as the new First Lady of Japan. Japan's new first lady says rode UFO to Venus | U.S. | Reuters

S.
In fairness, if the democrats really wanted this, it would have been passed already. Correct?

This brings us to the in-fighting in the Dem party over healthcare reform. People can try to obfuscate by pointing to the Republicans and town hall meetings packed with ill-informed old coots with early onset dimentia....but the truth of the matter is that this one is all on the democrats.

Like I told my relatives, hard core dems with glory in their eyes after the last election, "I'm not so sure I'd be so happy...now they have to deliver....or else....and there will be no one to blame if they fail."
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Why can't Obama just use the same executive power that W used in Iraq? "Here is my universal health care plan. It's a done deal. It goes into effect at 9 oclock tomorrow morning. Shock and Awe. I will not negotiate with terrorists. If you don't like it, phone your local talk show and whine about it, it's a free country. The police will arrest you if you protest in the streets. I am the decider. Now watch this drive."
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:37 AM
 
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oh good using this as a platform to bash bush some more, were u even alive when bush was elected?
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Oh, good. Using this as a platform to bash Bush some more. Were you even alive when Bush was elected?
To whom are you addressing your remark? But I was alive when Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected. Twice. What has that do do with anything?

(I took the liberty of correcting your tweet-style post, but it still makes no sense.)
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Old 09-09-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Portlandia "burbs"
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This does not look like a good solution. The alternatives are to rack up medical bills or pick up private insurance. If you haven't been shopping lately, private insurance policies have high premiums and very high deductibles. There are a few which are not as expensive, however they provide limited coverage, many exclusions, and an extensive search for preexisting conditions.

Fines proposed for going without health insurance - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090908/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul - broken link)
For some reason this link wouldn't open for me.

Massachusetts already has such a fine for those who choose to go without, and it's somewhere over $1000 (for the year). However, the insurance premiums are still too costly and unaffordable for many households; thus, they'd rather pay the annual fine to the state. If I retired now, or was laid off, I couldn't afford to pay premiums at all.

This tells me that the program is NOT all that successful. Is there a poster in Massachusetts who could shed more light on this?
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Old 09-09-2009, 01:39 PM
 
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We won't do that which we need to do in this country. What we need to do is simply expand Medicare to cover not only the aged, but young and healthy people as well. If others choose to keep their private health insurance when this type of universal health coverage becomes available than that would be fine with me. Actually, its cheaper to cover young people than old people, so the increase in costs wouldn't be nearly as much as people imagine. We would need to raise the taxes for Medicare, but at the same time people wouldn't have to pay for private health insurance, so it would be a large net savings for many individuals and small businesses.

This is exactly what they do in Canada and healthcare costs per capita are 1/3 less than they are in the USA.

Why can't we do something this simple?
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Default Bush bashing

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Why can't Obama just use the same executive power that W used in Iraq? "Here is my universal health care plan. It's a done deal. It goes into effect at 9 oclock tomorrow morning. Shock and Awe. I will not negotiate with terrorists. If you don't like it, phone your local talk show and whine about it, it's a free country. The police will arrest you if you protest in the streets. I am the decider. Now watch this drive."

Bush bashing is fantastic. It really helps to get the point across to bash a President that has been out of office for 9 months. Forget the problems of that the current President has and the mistakes he has made. Bush can't do much to help or hurt us now, the focus needs to be on Obama. Give him the same level of scrutiny that Bush got and then we will see how it is.

Oh, and the President is the leader of the military, not your healthcare.
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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is there any way we can lay the blame on reagan? oh and rush limbaugh
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