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Old 12-28-2010, 07:27 AM
 
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I always wonder what the concept of American freedom really meant. Vacationed there many times and didn't find it more free than any other country I'd visited.

 
Old 12-30-2010, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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You are much less free to sunbathe nude, drink alcohol under 21 or gamble than us, as a homosexual I would not be allowed to get married in most US states but can here, I would need to go through a rigorous passport control system just to transit through a US airport, your speed limits are generally lower than ours, a lot of the people in American prisons would not be in prison here, and employees here cannot make you do a drug test or fire you without a good reason, and the swear filter on American TV bleeps out words we would consider acceptable.

On the other side, in Britain we cannot own guns without a very good reason and a tight background check, as an employer I imagine I would be less free in firing employees, we cannot learn to drive a car until age 17 (and then it's much more expensive/a hassle), our planning laws on new buildings are much more restrictive, we have less freedom to spend our own money (i.e. higher taxes), more CCTV, and there are probably some others I can't think of.
 
Old 12-30-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn New York
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As an American, we pay through the nose to live in a "free" country.

Every freaking thing has some sort of tax on it.

As another poster has stated, we need permits for everything.
Want to add a deck to your house, you need a permit.
Want a flag in front of your house - ask the HOA for permission
etc
TV, pay for all the channels, no longer free.
Buy a car - but you have to pay a registration every year for it....I only bought it once.

see where I am going with this.

so are we really free???? I do have to wonder somethimes
 
Old 12-30-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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We become less free here everyday in the name of the government making us safe and that is a real joke. So many gave their lives to have a free country, sad that it means nothing anymore.
 
Old 12-30-2010, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Tujunga
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I just saw a TV commercial in which the CEO of Sprint said this is the freest couintry in the world. Most Americans probably believe that. But, is it really?


Truth be told, South Africa is far more free that America. You can get as pissed as you want and still drive in fact laws are in general advisory.

I suppose it really depends what you want, is freedom really what you want, what does that even mean?
 
Old 12-30-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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I just saw a TV commercial in which the CEO of Sprint said this is the freest couintry in the world. Most Americans probably believe that. But, is it really?
Most illegals sure think so.
 
Old 12-31-2010, 09:06 AM
 
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I just saw a TV commercial in which the CEO of Sprint said this is the freest couintry in the world. Most Americans probably believe that. But, is it really?
Perhaps in one sense it is...but, is it when a huge part of the american populus wrongly take advantage of, twist, pervert, our constitutional freedoms for thier own wrongful , harmful, and degrading agendas ? Something tells me that The Founding Fathers wanted citizens to have these freedoms but not use them as a license for deviant behavior , uncivil actions, and immoral quests which are poisionous to an entire nation. Of course when our culture and media promotes these kinds of things, it gets firmly engrained in society which then becomes the norm ; the end result is an entire nation becomes desensitized and apathetic . It only escalates for future generations coming up the ladder . What do you think a viable solution might be ?
 
Old 12-31-2010, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Perhaps in one sense it is...but, is it when a huge part of the american populus wrongly take advantage of, twist, pervert, our constitutional freedoms for thier own wrongful , harmful, and degrading agendas ? Something tells me that The Founding Fathers wanted citizens to have these freedoms but not use them as a license for deviant behavior , uncivil actions, and immoral quests which are poisionous to an entire nation. Of course when our culture and media promotes these kinds of things, it gets firmly engrained in society which then becomes the norm ; the end result is an entire nation becomes desensitized and apathetic . It only escalates for future generations coming up the ladder . What do you think a viable solution might be ?
Could you give any solid examples of this negative turn of events, and explain how it's worse than public lynchings, slavery, blood vengeance, a general lower education level, etc.

And how does this tie in to freedom? Do you think there should be less of it? More of it? The same but focused differently?
 
Old 12-31-2010, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Denver
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When one looks at the surveillance and incarceration stats and trends, one would rightfully conclude that we are one of the least free nations on the planet. Government agents can now do ANYTHING they want due to the Patriot Act.

Never, But Never Make Friends With the One Who Can Eat You - Stella's Magazine
 
Old 12-31-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Denver
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We may have been once upon a time. But now, I don't think so. As someone stated, we are over-regulated. I'm wondering how long it will be before we need a permit to take a dump and how much it will be taxed.
We'll be taxed up the a** for that I'm sure.
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