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Old 09-30-2009, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Lists no criteria. Hint Hint.

 
Old 09-30-2009, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Lists no criteria. Hint Hint.
Section 15-106

http://www.med.navy.mil/bumed/directives/Documents/PublicationsManuals/MANMED%20CHANGE%20126%20-%20Pages%2051-112.pdf (broken link)

Must meet the physical standards as outlined in the general standards section.

PERFORMANCE PERFORMANCE POINTS CURL PUSH 1.5-MILE SWIM
CATEGORY LEVEL UPS UPS RUN 500-YD 450-M
Outstanding High 100 109 92 8:15 6:30 6:20
Outstanding Medium 95 107 91 8:45 6:45 6:35
Outstanding Low 90 102 86 9:00 7:15 7:05
Excellent High 85 98 82 9:15 7:45 7:35
Excellent Medium 80 93 79 9:30 8:15 8:05
Excellent Low 75 90 76 9:45 8:30 8:20
Good High 70 81 68 10:00 9:15 9:05
Good Medium 65 71 60 10:30 10:30 10:20
Good Low 60 62 51 11:00 11:15 11:05
Satisfactory High 55 59 49 12:00 11:45 11:35
Satisfactory Medium 50 54 46 12:15 12:15 12:05
Probationary 45 50 42 12:30 12:45 12:35

 
Old 09-30-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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How big of a guy are you? 200lbs? 220?

How many women do you know that can sling you up on their shoulders, and carry you out of a fire fight if you're injured?
I probably never could have, either. I wish I could have gotten a draft deferment for being unable to do that, as proof that I would have been unsuitable for combat duty.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Section 15-106

http://www.med.navy.mil/bumed/directives/Documents/PublicationsManuals/MANMED%20CHANGE%20126%20-%20Pages%2051-112.pdf (broken link)

Must meet the physical standards as outlined in the general standards section.

PERFORMANCE PERFORMANCE POINTS CURL PUSH 1.5-MILE SWIM
CATEGORY LEVEL UPS UPS RUN 500-YD 450-M
Outstanding High 100 109 92 8:15 6:30 6:20
Outstanding Medium 95 107 91 8:45 6:45 6:35
Outstanding Low 90 102 86 9:00 7:15 7:05
Excellent High 85 98 82 9:15 7:45 7:35
Excellent Medium 80 93 79 9:30 8:15 8:05
Excellent Low 75 90 76 9:45 8:30 8:20
Good High 70 81 68 10:00 9:15 9:05
Good Medium 65 71 60 10:30 10:30 10:20
Good Low 60 62 51 11:00 11:15 11:05
Satisfactory High 55 59 49 12:00 11:45 11:35
Satisfactory Medium 50 54 46 12:15 12:15 12:05
Probationary 45 50 42 12:30 12:45 12:35
Did you read the posting? There's no difference in the physical standards for submarine duty. As I said in the beginning.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Did you read the posting? There's no difference in the physical standards for submarine duty. As I said in the beginning.
The standards that I posted, also had female standards, I just didn't post them.

They give women significanly more time to swim their 1.5 miles, and less physical requirements on strength.

The men have to meet a higher standard to be a submariner, so if the women want in the sub, they should have to meet the exact same physical standards as the men.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I think anyone who wants to do a job should be able to physically and mentally do the job regardless of their gender.

As to men and women being given different PT requirements...

My question is who set the standards for the physical requirements and how close are they in reality to what you have to be able to do to accomplish the job? I mean, if what the women do is good enough to get the job done, why are there standards for the men that are set higher?
 
Old 10-01-2009, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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The standards that I posted, also had female standards, I just didn't post them.

They give women significanly more time to swim their 1.5 miles, and less physical requirements on strength.

The men have to meet a higher standard to be a submariner, so if the women want in the sub, they should have to meet the exact same physical standards as the men.
There is no "strength standard" for submarine duty. The physical standards are the same as the general standards for enlisting in the Navy. There are a couple of physical standards that relate to vision and chronic ailments but nothing different in the area a physical ability, because there is no need.

In six years of duty I never had a PT test after OCS.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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There is no "strength standard" for submarine duty. The physical standards are the same as the general standards for enlisting in the Navy. There are a couple of physical standards that relate to vision and chronic ailments but nothing different in the area a physical ability, because there is no need.

In six years of duty I never had a PT test after OCS.
It says in the submarine physical requirements that I posted that to be on a submarine, you must meet the general physical requirements laid out.

I posted those to.

Women have less of a physical standard.

Again, if women want to be in a combat situation, then they should have to meet the same physical requirements as the men doing the job.
 
Old 10-01-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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It says in the submarine physical requirements that I posted that to be on a submarine, you must meet the general physical requirements laid out.

I posted those to.

Women have less of a physical standard.

Again, if women want to be in a combat situation, then they should have to meet the same physical requirements as the men doing the job.
If the job had physical requirements that were part of accomplishing the job, it would like SEALS and fliers. Since the submarine environment is about brains not brawn, we screen on that. Women can do the job, the only issue as I said in the beginning is privacy in berthing and bathing.
 
Old 10-02-2009, 04:06 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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Military may lift ban on women in submarines - Yahoo! News--

Now the Pentagon wants to the lift the ban on women serving on submarines. What do y'all think about women serving in combat roles in the military?

I wouldn't have a problem with it.....if the physical standards are equalized. To me, giving women much lower PT requirements results in less qualifications for the same job. There should be one set of PT requirements, I simply do not understand how a man can fail and be deemed unfit for the job....yet a woman can score lower and be deemed fit for the job. It's the same job, right? Same tasks, same duties....

If women are to be allowed in all the roles in the military, then the PT standards should be equalized to the standards the job requires.

Equality also means equal qualifications.
I agree PT requirements should be the same.
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