Vegetarians are cruel (ideology, versus, government, claims)

[Peggy Anne]

Originally Posted by monkey cabal

This is unrealistic. The toddlers would be turned into human veal for the Xlgoffians since they were slaughtered well before reaching full size. For veal we all know that the toddlers would be strapped down or locked in cages so tiny they couldn’t even turn around. So according to XETA (Xlogoffian PETA) propaganda, this is clearly an unrealistic example.

You know NOTHING, human !

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by Peggy Anne

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...09_468x381.jpg

My heart won't ever look like this.

No, but in the end it will be just as dead... sorry.

[las vegas drunk]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

I never liked PETA, but ignored them for the most part. Then, one of their 'members' made an 9 year old girl in my 4H group cry hysterically and my stance changed pretty quick. The 'member' of PETA told the little girl that her sister was cruel to animals and that her sister was a mean, horrible person. Well, the older sister went over to the PETA member and told her (maybe not as eloquently a she could have) that she needed to leave immediately.

That little girl was my younger sister, and this was done at our county fair in the dairy goat barn. The PETA lady was telling my little sister that I was cruel because I cut off baby goat ears.... unfortunately, this PETA lady didn't realize that the breed I raised (LaManchas) have what are called gopher ears, and occur naturally.

The majority of PETA people are not intelligent and only desire a shock factor...not actual, real facts. They STILL use videos from many, many years ago from places that don't even exist anymore to get more dumbass people on their bandwagon. They're hypocrites (one of the VPs uses insulin, which is animal derived...)and should not be trusted.

The problem with PETA is they are an extremist group. They are flat out crazy sometimes. I was just reading how they are now attacking Brookstone for selling tiny frogs...

FrogOSphere: Frog O Sphere Ecosystem with 2 Aquatic Frogs at Brookstone (http://www.brookstone.com/Frog-O-Sphere-frogs.html?bkeid=search|google|brookword|brookston e_frogs&gclid=CPC8jfDTmp0CFQ8MDQod9UrW1Q - broken link)

Peta is saying that it is cruel to house these frogs like this because they need a much bigger tank, and their life is cut way short in these tiny tanks with no filters. That I do agree with. However, they said that some of the frogs are dying on the shelves of the store, and that Brookstone needs to have 24 hour veterinarians to care for them. This is where they lose me, as this is ridiculous. But, Peta still does have some good videos and investigations nonetheless. My moral is to take everything Peta says with a grain of salt, because you never know what their ulterior motive is.

[mb64282]

I thought I only knew one vegetarian, but come to find out I know quite a few, just have never cooked for them. It's a personal decision whether it be an ethical one or a health one, I personally have never experienced grief from a vegetarian for my practice of eating meat and would never criticize a vegetarian for not eating meat, I think it's kind of sweet. If I ever went to a slaughter house as they were mentioned in the first post though, I think I would seriously consider becoming a vegetarian. You do make a good point though about how many of them would never come into life if we didn't eat meat, I just don't think I could eat meat at least for awhile after seeing that. I'll never forget that one video of the poor horse all dirty and straggling before it was slaughtered. Gosh, that was horrific. They were poking it too I think. If I experienced something like that at a visit, I would definitely be cooking veggies for a long time if not forever. We need to monitor these facilities very carefully.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by mb64282

I thought I only knew one vegetarian, but come to find out I know quite a few, just have never cooked for them. It's a personal decision whether it be an ethical one or a health one, I personally have never experienced grief from a vegetarian for my practice of eating meat and would never criticize a vegetarian for not eating meat, I think it's kind of sweet. If I ever went to a slaughter house as they were mentioned in the first post though, I think I would seriously consider becoming a vegetarian. You do make a good point though about how many of them would never come into life if we didn't eat meat, I just don't think I could eat meat at least for awhile after seeing that. I'll never forget that one video of the poor horse all dirty and straggling before it was slaughtered. Gosh, that was horrific. They were poking it too I think. If I experienced something like that at a visit, I would definitely be cooking veggies for a long time if not forever. We need to monitor these facilities very carefully.

I have nothing against vegetarians either... except when they start getting in other people's faces about food. Other than that, I'm cool with it. It also annoys me a bit when everyone assumes that not eating meat means eating only fruit and vegetables, though. That's not really the case. There are plenty of grains and and different corn derived foods. I could actually handle not eating meat and living on breads, oats, grains, corn, nuts, etc... But I'd be miserable if I could eat only vegetables, or worse yet, fruit. It's not that I don't eat any, but I'm just not all that fond most of it and looking forward to only that would be seriously depressing. I guess I'm just a grains type of guy. I would chow down on half a cup of plain old dry oats (or cooked in water) before I'd go for carrot sticks or an apple.

[Kracer]

'Watership Down' was a good book that explored the original question posed, among others.

If I was re-incarnated as a cow, I'd want to be recycled as quick as possible to try out another bodytype.

Assuming we all have to 'move on', time becomes irrelevant when measured against eternity.....except for humans who deal in time.

Respect and kindness during life and a quick death is all good. How could it be any better?

Most popular death choices for humans are heart disease, cancer, trauma with toxic poisoning/drug overdosing moving up fast.

Left to their own devices, hoofed stock is left with worn teeth leading to starvation and disease capped off by hypothermia. Some segments of hoofed critters rank cars way up there as a leading cause of death.

Some choices we have, huh?
Like so many activities that endorse endless techniques, all conclude with the same goal.

[mb64282]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

I have nothing against vegetarians either... except when they start getting in other people's faces about food. Other than that, I'm cool with it. It also annoys me a bit when everyone assumes that not eating meat means eating only fruit and vegetables, though. That's not really the case. There are plenty of grains and and different corn derived foods. I could actually handle not eating meat and living on breads, oats, grains, corn, nuts, etc... But I'd be miserable if I could eat only vegetables, or worse yet, fruit. It's not that I don't eat any, but I'm just not all that fond most of it and looking forward to only that would be seriously depressing. I guess I'm just a grains type of guy. I would chow down on half a cup of plain old dry oats (or cooked in water) before I'd go for carrot sticks or an apple.

I think it has to do with the root of the word vegetarian, when discussing vegetarians, vegetables come to mind. Yes, nuts are probably pretty crucial to them for protein and of coarse bread as long as your not allergic is a major part of most peoples diets and if you were allergic, fruit would be good for carbs I guess.

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I have no problem with people who are any of the range of being vegetarian, it's their choice and I don't really care to run their lives (I have enough stress form my own). I eat it, not a great deal but that is my choice and it's good people have the choice as they wish. However, like any other faction there are the nuts, and the ones for animal rights are very extreme and seem to be tolerated...which I actually think hurts their cause more then helps it. PETA and all of their ilk just create enemies from moderates, and drive people away from funding them and considering their cause.

What got me is something that happened when I was living in England, my dad worked for the hospital doing research (I was 12). Some radical animal rights activists cut the power line to the hospital because they were doing testing on mice. Which without its backup generator would have killed everyone in the hospital requiring mechanical assistance, and this is a large hospital...it would have been mass murder justified because they were doing drug testing on mice to save human lives. The stupid part is they caught them when they came back two weeks later for flu vaccinations, which were tested on animals in the same animal lab they were protesting. Seeing this, and then all the extreme things after, was just icing on the cake why I will never support these movements that radicalize.

[harhar]

Originally Posted by monkey cabal

Is it better to live a relatively comfortable life until early adulthood then be put to death—or is it better to never be born?

Cattle raised for meat live their lives in a safe environment free from predators, receiving nutritious food every day without a care in the world. Once they reach full size at early adulthood, beef cattle are shipped to packing plants and put to death, eventually winding up on our patio grills and dinner tables. This happens to millions of cattle each year.

However, if vegetarians had their way, the cattle would never be born in the first place—a fate I believe to be more cruel than being put to death in early adulthood. Why are vegetarians so cruel towards cattle, seeking to wipe out the entire existence of our gentle bovine friends? Why?

I'm not a vegetarian but not being born isn't good or bad it just is.

It is sadder if someone you know dies, than someone I don't know? Uh..yeah.

Hell we don't care if actual people die unless they are related to us. Our emotional responses are greater when we have an actual relation.

So to say that not being born, kinda like all the sperm that goes to waste, is worse?

Give me a break.

[aveojohn]

Originally Posted by Peggy Anne

My Aunt died from coronary heart disease. She was the one joking to the rest of us about the flowers. We tried to get her to abandon her high fat meat diet, but she wouldn't listen. She thought Lipitor would help her to continue narfing down all matter of meat, booze, and boston cream pies. Well, it didn't. Bless her sweet soul.

Got news for ya, she had coronary heart disease long before the lipitor.