Vegetarians are cruel (billion, best, bill, against)

[Chango]

Originally Posted by monkey cabal

Is it better to live a relatively comfortable life until early adulthood then be put to death—or is it better to never be born?

Cattle raised for meat live their lives in a safe environment free from predators, receiving nutritious food every day without a care in the world. Once they reach full size at early adulthood, beef cattle are shipped to packing plants and put to death, eventually winding up on our patio grills and dinner tables. This happens to millions of cattle each year.

However, if vegetarians had their way, the cattle would never be born in the first place—a fate I believe to be more cruel than being put to death in early adulthood. Why are vegetarians so cruel towards cattle, seeking to wipe out the entire existence of our gentle bovine friends? Why?

I detect a hint of sarcasim but I do have to say factory farming methods ARE cruel. Unfortunately meat tastes too good for me to boycott cruel death for the sake of my food and millions of years of evolution have made me a part-time carnivore. It is what it is.

I prefer to raise or hunt my own meat when possible. A meat eater should be willing and capable of killing his/her own meat too, it's hypocritical to eat the meat but decry or be squeamish the slaughter of the living creature it came from. I can also guarantee the meat didn't live a miserable life crammed in a tiny cage covered in it's own feces.

[Omaha Rocks]

Originally Posted by Chango

I detect a hint of sarcasim but I do have to say factory farming methods ARE cruel. Unfortunately meat tastes too good for me to boycott cruel death for the sake of my food and millions of years of evolution have made me a part-time carnivore. It is what it is.

I prefer to raise or hunt my own meat when possible. A meat eater should be willing and capable of killing his/her own meat too, it's hypocritical to eat the meat but decry or be squeamish the slaughter of the living creature it came from. I can also guarantee the meat didn't live a miserable life crammed in a tiny cage covered in it's own feces.

Very good points!

[monkey cabal]

Originally Posted by Chango

I detect a hint of sarcasim but I do have to say factory farming methods ARE cruel. Unfortunately meat tastes too good for me to boycott cruel death for the sake of my food and millions of years of evolution have made me a part-time carnivore. It is what it is.

I prefer to raise or hunt my own meat when possible. A meat eater should be willing and capable of killing his/her own meat too, it's hypocritical to eat the meat but decry or be squeamish the slaughter of the living creature it came from. I can also guarantee the meat didn't live a miserable life crammed in a tiny cage covered in it's own feces.

Sarcasm? Oh, come on. Have you not driven through the countryside and seen herds of cattle grazing on lush hillsides? Seriously, as I drive through the rural areas, most of the cattle I see in pastures and pens look pretty darn content.

I think much of the PETA stuff you hear and read (and see on YouTube) is fabricated propaganda. Farmers and ranchers are not cruel people. And most livestock—especially cattle—lead a pretty good life. Up until the last few seconds, that is.

[Chango]

Originally Posted by monkey cabal

Sarcasm? Oh, come on. Have you not driven through the countryside and seen herds of cattle grazing on lush hillsides? Seriously, as I drive through the rural areas, most of the cattle I see in pastures and pens look pretty darn content.

I think much of the PETA stuff you hear and read (and see on YouTube) is fabricated propaganda. Farmers and ranchers are not cruel people. And most livestock—especially cattle—lead a pretty good life. Up until the last few seconds, that is.

The founding fathers said "Give me liberty or give me death!" Maybe the cows feel the same way.

The small operations aren't that bad in my opinion, it's the giant factory operations that are disturbing. And not just for the cruelty; They butcher and sell us tons hormone laced meat from sick animals chopped up by exploited illegals all in the name of profit.

[mg420]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

Sorry sweety, if we didn't hunt, animals would overrun us. You can blame the killing off of most natural predators for that, but if Humans didn't kill deer, they would over populate quickly.

If they over populate, then they'll die a slow death from malnutrition, they'll eat human crops, which will cause more people to die, and spread disease, and car accidents.

Deer have very few natural predators, because people don't want wolves running through their yards. Honestly can you blame them?

So humans have to step in to control the population size.

Like it or not, we are at the top of the food chain. As such, that means we get to eat everything.

hunting is a seperate issue from factory farming. as far as hunting animals to control their population, this only occurs because humans do not practice any sort of poulation control and over run & destroy the natural ecological equilibrium. i am reminded of a quote from "The Matrix" that is very accurate:
"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet."

[mg420]

Originally Posted by monkey cabal

Sarcasm? Oh, come on. Have you not driven through the countryside and seen herds of cattle grazing on lush hillsides? Seriously, as I drive through the rural areas, most of the cattle I see in pastures and pens look pretty darn content.

I think much of the PETA stuff you hear and read (and see on YouTube) is fabricated propaganda. Farmers and ranchers are not cruel people. And most livestock—especially cattle—lead a pretty good life. Up until the last few seconds, that is.

what color is the sky in your world?

[monkey cabal]

Originally Posted by LABART

It is nice to dicuss a topic with some meat in it.

Ha Ha! POTD!

[monkey cabal]

Originally Posted by mg420

what color is the sky in your world?

Clear blue. With puffy white clouds. What color is the haze through which you view humanity?


I’m quite familiar with rolling hills of the Midwest where cattle are raised. It is a far cry from the mythical factory farms that PETA would have us believe are in every nook and cranny of the Midwest. You should try to avoid being brainwashed so easily.

[LABART]

hunting is a seperate issue from factory farming. as far as hunting animals to control their population, this only occurs because humans do not practice any sort of poulation control and over run & destroy the natural ecological equilibrium. i am reminded of a quote from "The Matrix" that is very accurate:
"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet."

mg I had some respect for your opinion until you quoted the Matrix.

As for hunting. humans and other carnivores/omnivores have hunted and scavenged since life began. A true hunter (one that goes out into the woods and hunts down it's prey, and doesn't use bait) has to be in touch with their surroundings.

[monkey cabal]

I realized that you humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

Labart raises a good point. I suspect that many in the vegetarian crowd hold this viewpoint as the truth. They think human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.