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Old 09-29-2009, 09:41 AM
 
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Is it better to live a relatively comfortable life until early adulthood then be put to death—or is it better to never be born?

Cattle raised for meat live their lives in a safe environment free from predators, receiving nutritious food every day without a care in the world. Once they reach full size at early adulthood, beef cattle are shipped to packing plants and put to death, eventually winding up on our patio grills and dinner tables. This happens to millions of cattle each year.

However, if vegetarians had their way, the cattle would never be born in the first place—a fate I believe to be more cruel than being put to death in early adulthood. Why are vegetarians so cruel towards cattle, seeking to wipe out the entire existence of our gentle bovine friends? Why?
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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reminds me of a Tom Paxton song. . . "Don't slay that potato". . . I say we have more vegetable rights protest songs! (no comment on the raising or slaughering of meat animals, I have my opinions, you have yours, I am fine with that)
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables and I want them all to die!"
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:22 AM
 
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"I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate vegetables and I want them all to die!"
Yeah. Something like that.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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reminds me of a Tom Paxton song. . . "Don't slay that potato". . . I say we have more vegetable rights protest songs! (no comment on the raising or slaughering of meat animals, I have my opinions, you have yours, I am fine with that)
Heh, heh. Tom had it right!

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How can you do it? It's heartless, it's cruel.
It's murder, cold-blooded, it's gross.
To slay a poor vegetable just for your stew
Or to serve with some cheese sauce on toast.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Heh, heh. Tom had it right!
Such a pleasure to see another Paxton fan on this list. . . you made my day!
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:32 AM
 
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Is it better to live a relatively comfortable life until early adulthood then be put to death—or is it better to never be born?

Cattle raised for meat live their lives in a safe environment free from predators, receiving nutritious food every day without a care in the world. Once they reach full size at early adulthood, beef cattle are shipped to packing plants and put to death, eventually winding up on our patio grills and dinner tables. This happens to millions of cattle each year.

However, if vegetarians had their way, the cattle would never be born in the first place—a fate I believe to be more cruel than being put to death in early adulthood. Why are vegetarians so cruel towards cattle, seeking to wipe out the entire existence of our gentle bovine friends? Why?
I do not think you know exactly what these animals go through. I have studied it, and it is not pretty. I am NOT a vegetarian, but I rarely eat meat because it sickens me to know what those animals have to endure. Eventually, I will be a vegetarian, although not a vegan. For your debate, the animals would be way better off never being born at all. In other words, Vegetarians are far from being cruel. Think about it this way, if you were born in a prison, and had to live in prison your whole life, would you even want to live?
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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Yeah...you think that most of these animals have a pretty, sunshine, happy life...roaming the fields chasing butterflies?

Most of them are penned in, stand in their own feces, force-fed, given steroids...and then slaughtered.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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I do not think you know exactly what these animals go through. I have studied it, and it is not pretty. I am NOT a vegetarian, but I rarely eat meat because it sickens me to know what those animals have to endure. Eventually, I will be a vegetarian, although not a vegan. For your debate, the animals would be way better off never being born at all. In other words, Vegetarians are far from being cruel. Think about it this way, if you were born in a prison, and had to live in prison your whole life, would you even want to live?
I grew up on a farm, farmed after college before pursuing a different vocation, and have family still farming.

I can assure you that the conclusions you've drawn, having read PETA propaganda, is quite incorrect.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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However, if vegetarians had their way, the cattle would never be born in the first place—a fate I believe to be more cruel than being put to death in early adulthood. Why are vegetarians so cruel towards cattle, seeking to wipe out the entire existence of our gentle bovine friends? Why?
How is a cow not being conceived cruel? Am I being cruel every month I have a period because I didn't get pregnant?

After reading Fast Food Nation I don't think I'd consider the factory farm and the slaughterhouse an idyllic existance for our "bovine friends."
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