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Old 10-03-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Is there a third alternative to communism and capitalism?

I appologize for not citing a factual basis for starting the thread. Don't most debates start with a question, observation, or statement and then others participate with their views?
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:30 AM
 
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Well there is fascism.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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Communism and Capitalism are economic theories. Fascism is a political system, and historically coexted with one or the other, usually with Capitalism.

Socialism would be a third alternative to the two. Socialism applies some of the principles of Communism, without the usual implication of autocracy and regimented public order, and permits application of Capitalism in production and marketing of discretionary consumer goods.

Communism and Capitalsm are at opposite ends of a spectrum of distribution of wealth. All kinds of combinations can occur under various names along the midsection of that spectrum.

Communism. Socialism and Fascism are three different things.

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Old 10-03-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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Maybe socialism is the "balance" between capitalism and communism.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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Communism and Capitalism are economic theories. Fascism is a political system, and historically coexted with one or the other, usually with Capitalism.

Socialism would be a third alternative to the two. Socialism applies some of the principles of Communism, without the usual implication of autocracy and regimented public order, and permits application of Capitalism in production and marketing of discretionary consumer goods.

Communism and Capitalsm are at opposite ends of a spectrum of distribution of wealth. All kinds of combinations can occur under various names along the midsection of that spectrum.

Communism. Socialism and Fascism are three different things.
Oops, my bad for not being specific. I'll re-word.

"Is there a third ECONOMIC theory other than capitalism and communism?"

Thanks for thinking ahead with discussing ideas on implementing the theory into practice!!
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Old 10-03-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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Communism and Capitalism are economic theories. Fascism is a political system, and historically coexted with one or the other, usually with Capitalism.

Socialism would be a third alternative to the two. Socialism applies some of the principles of Communism, without the usual implication of autocracy and regimented public order, and permits application of Capitalism in production and marketing of discretionary consumer goods.

Communism and Capitalsm are at opposite ends of a spectrum of distribution of wealth. All kinds of combinations can occur under various names along the midsection of that spectrum.

Communism. Socialism and Fascism are three different things.

In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[10][11] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state").[12][13] No common and concise definition exists for fascism and historians and political scientists disagree on what should be in any concise definition.[14]
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Old 10-03-2009, 12:10 PM
 
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China while decidedly not fascist also believes that it has found a third way.
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Old 10-03-2009, 12:14 PM
 
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China while decidedly not fascist also believes that it has found a third way.
So, to date, the thread points to four ways:

1. communism
2. capitalism
3. facism (however or whatever it is defined as), and

last but not least

4. the Chinese way.
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Old 10-03-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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Actually, there is a third one, which Michels theorizes would be the end result, no matter what system was established at the outset:

"The iron law of oligarchy is a political theory, first developed by the German syndicalist sociologist Robert Michels in his 1911 book, Political Parties. It states that all forms of organization, regardless of how democratic or autocratic they may be at the start, will eventually and inevitably develop into oligarchies. The reasons for this are the technical indispensability of leadership, the tendency of the leaders to organize themselves and to consolidate their interests; the gratitude of the led towards the leaders, and the general immobility and passivity of the masses." ---Wikipedia

In America, we are well on the way toward becoming anecdotal examples of this law, if we are not there already.

And a fourth one--- the Monarchy system as an alternative to Communism (where everything owned by the people collectively) and Capitalism (where everything is owned by the people individually). In a Monarchy, everything is owned by one person.
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Old 10-03-2009, 01:09 PM
 
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Social democracy, or democratic socialism. As practised in many European countries.
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