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Old 11-03-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: DFW - Coppell / Las Colinas
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I always wonder if wars, disease, starvation, old age and other lethal means of death is natures way to ensure we never over populate this planet. Is killing a built in natural condition or need similar to sex and hunger ?

Can you imagine how quickly we would over populate if there were no early deaths and we extended every humans life by 25-50% ?

I'm not sure we can afford to extend the human life span to 120. The cost of health care and damage to the planets resources would be to great.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:41 PM
 
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I always wonder if wars, disease, starvation, old age and other lethal means of death is natures way to ensure we never over populate this planet. Is killing a built in natural condition or need similar to sex and hunger ?
Short answer....no.

Like any natural system over-population causes shortages. Food shortages cause death and weakness that promote disease.

Overcrowding increases stress and promotes the spread of disease and also can promote war over resources. (Public unrest is directed externally so the powers that be stay in control.)

Probably more importantly, social attitudes can have an even bigger impact. Developed nations have very low birth rates since they don't have so much youth mortality and people have smaller families so they can afford them etc etc etc.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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I always wonder if wars, disease, starvation, old age and other lethal means of death is natures way to ensure we never over populate this planet. Is killing a built in natural condition or need similar to sex and hunger ?

Can you imagine how quickly we would over populate if there were no early deaths and we extended every humans life by 25-50% ?

I'm not sure we can afford to extend the human life span to 120. The cost of health care and damage to the planets resources would be to great.
Are we saying Pol Pot was not just necessary but that we should let that be ok?

Would it make a difference if you were killed, or someone that you knew or loved? Is that ok? Or rather, should this be ok are we to allow this to be ok? There just is no way for me to rephrase this at this moment.
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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I wonder the same Rakin, all the world tragedies .. flooding, hurricanes, storms, draughts, illness and disease, etc.

Can't help but think it plays a huge part in the natural evolution of population control.

With human intervention involved, we do seem to help keep it at bay with our wars and killings, etc.

Quote often I wonder if all that goes on is part of the cycle, .. why things happen and timing, etc.
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Old 11-03-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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We could go one step further and say that serial killers serve a function in society.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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It's all the fault of modern medicine. See what eliminating the plague has done?
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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I thought the bubonic plague still exists.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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No, I don't think killing each other is a natural need or condition, at least not until we're crowded to the point that we do it for self-preservation. (I.E., there's only one scrap of food to eat this week, and your neighbor wants it.) I think viruses are more nature's way of controlling overpopulation, but starvation and pollution could certainly play a part in it.

Then too, we may not be far from some nut case gaining control of a powerful nation and thinking God has selected him to control world population. Hitler wasn't far from that. A dozen nukes sent to the most populated cities in America would free up lots of food for (insert country).
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Budget deficits could also be of help in reducing the population.

I work in a long term care (warehouse?) facility.

For 7 years now I've attened to a woman curled up in a fetal position, being kept alive by a G tube. No visitors whatsoever. Can't sign her name to anything.

And how many others are there like her, all across this country, waiting for a severe budget deficit to happily end their unhappy, miserable lives?
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:10 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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Budget deficits could also be of help in reducing the population.

I work in a long term care (warehouse?) facility.

For 7 years now I've attened to a woman curled up in a fetal position, being kept alive by a G tube. No visitors whatsoever. Can't sign her name to anything.


And how many others are there like her, all across this country, waiting for a severe budget deficit to happily end their unhappy, miserable lives?
Yep, that sucks. But the question is, who makes the call to discontinue her "life support" - and on what basis.

I knew a lady who lived to be 2 months shy of 107. For the 5 years I knew her, she laid in a nursing home bed - practically comatose - communicating nothing and doing nothing. She wasn't on life-support, and had family present, but even so...


Sometimes life is weird that way.
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