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that's not very nice. I feel I am very Honest. It's just a topic for conversation. Nobody is swearing to tell the truth. Just to share their views on the topic. Your welcome to state yours if you care to. Or you can insult me, I don't really care. well maybe some.
The problem is that just like every other truther, you talk about "asking questions" and "finding the truth," but you've already reached your conclusion. If some piece of evidence doesn't fit your conclusion, you dismiss it outright as "planted" or "faked," or you divert the conversation with "but what about..."
The answers are there, and they make perfect sense. For some reason, though, you want to believe in something much more complex and conspiratorial, and you're not willing to let go of that, regardless of the facts. You grasp onto one word spoken on TV as your smoking gun. ONE WORD. What are we supposed to think about you and the others like you?
The 9/11 attacks are the most scrutinized event in human history. More articles were (and still are being) written about it than anything else - ever. There are thousands, if not millions, of people like you tearing apart every single pixel of every single photo they can find, and spending every other moment of their free time pouring over every article ever written on the subject, and they STILL can't prove anything.
You need to give up on the fantasy, my friend. The "official" story is the truth.
The problem is that just like every other truther, you talk about "asking questions" and "finding the truth," but you've already reached your conclusion. If some piece of evidence doesn't fit your conclusion, you dismiss it outright as "planted" or "faked," or you divert the conversation with "but what about..."
The answers are there, and they make perfect sense. For some reason, though, you want to believe in something much more complex and conspiratorial, and you're not willing to let go of that, regardless of the facts. You grasp onto one word spoken on TV as your smoking gun. ONE WORD. What are we supposed to think about you and the others like you?
The 9/11 attacks are the most scrutinized event in human history. More articles were (and still are being) written about it than anything else - ever. There are thousands, if not millions, of people like you tearing apart every single pixel of every single photo they can find, and spending every other moment of their free time pouring over every article ever written on the subject, and they STILL can't prove anything.
You need to give up on the fantasy, my friend. The "official" story is the truth.
Oh like you seem to have done with me. You made up your mind already, yet have no clue what I am about. Have a good one.
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The other government agencies with offices in the building were the IRS, the EEOC, the US Secret Service, the SEC, and the CIA.
The private tenants were Salomon Smith Barney, American Express Bank International, Standard Chartered Bank, Provident Financial Management, ITT Hartford Insurance Group, First State Management Group, Inc., Federal Home Loan Bank, and NAIC Securities.
Large numbers of case files for ongoing investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) were reportedly destroyed in the collapse. The Los Angeles Times reported that "substantial files were destroyed" for 3000 to 4000 of the SEC's cases. The EEOC reported that documents for 45 active cases were destroyed. [SIZE=-1] 3 [/SIZE] Before the attack, SEC investigations of corporate fraud by companies such as Enron and Worldcom were the subject of many news reports -- reports that virtually vanished in the wake of the attack.
Thaskateguy check out thurmite bunch of engineers were asking questions because of traces of nano thurmite found in dust . Thurmite will melt steel . I beleave it was done for lots of different reasons .
We rant and rave about presidents when if you do lots of research you may find they are really just puppets doing what they are told our job is to work and supply the products and money for them that are pulling the strings look up agenda 21 sometime .
It was spun, not explained. As you are trying to say those small fires melted the main support structures. Ever try to melt steel? I have worked with steel all my life, and no little fire is going to melt it. If that were possible,then every hotel fire, would melt the steel, and cause the building to collapse. Those were the only ones that has ever happened to, anywhere. And there have been lots of building fires. Don't believe everything they feed you. think for your self.
I don't think the point is that the steel "melted".
I too have worked with steel - a lot - back in the day. As you know, you don't have to melt it to move it. It is progressively softened as it gets hotter.
So the question isn't whether the steel melted. The question is at what point the steel - softened by heat - will soften enough to collapse under the incredible weight it's holding.
Thaskateguy check out thurmite bunch of engineers were asking questions because of traces of nano thurmite found in dust . Thurmite will melt steel . I beleave it was done for lots of different reasons .
We rant and rave about presidents when if you do lots of research you may find they are really just puppets doing what they are told our job is to work and supply the products and money for them that are pulling the strings look up agenda 21 sometime .
Oh like you seem to have done with me. You made up your mind already, yet have no clue what I am about. Have a good one.
I've made up my mind about you? Absolutely. You're positing the theory that building 7 was "pulled" (intentionally taken down). If you didn't already believe it, you'd have no reason to bring it up. Read your posts on the first page of this thread - what other conclusion am I to draw, based on your own posts?
If I "have no clue" what you're about, and my conclusion above is wrong, then enlighten us to exactly what you are "about" so we can all be on the same page. Based on your own posts in this thread, your position is pretty clear.
This is enlightening especially if you agree that man did land on the moon in July 1969 but think that there is a 9/11 conspiracy. Moon Hoax conspiracy theorists play on the lack of knowledge. "Why are there no stars in the pictures?" "Why was there no blast crater?" Common sense dictates stars should be in pictures taken on the moon and that there should be a blast crater beneath the lunar vehicle. However, we earthbound humans do not have intimate knowledge about taking pictures in space nor do we know about how lunar soil reacts in an atmosphere-less environment. Theorists play on that weakness.
Anyway, I'd go on with my anti-9/11 conspiracy view, but just wanted to point out something I thought of after reading Thaskateguy's post on page 3 (the one with all the pictures).
There was talk about how one of the buildings "looked like it was a controlled demolition." I would agree. It did look like that. Without being a structural expert WITH knowledge of how a 100-story building reacts in those circumstances, I would agree entirely.
But, just like any good conspiracy theorist, they only focus on evidence that supports their theory and ignore evidence that is contrary.
So, how come one building fell in a controlled demolition and the other fell like someone had unzipped it?
Contrary evidence is not that easy to ignore, is it?
We had a gasoline truck crash around here a while back, right under a bridge. The heat softened the steel enough to warp the bridge girders enough that it sagged and had to be replaced.
If there had been traffic stuck on the bridge it would have collapsed and not just sagged. (Happened late at night)
Thaskateguy check out thurmite bunch of engineers were asking questions because of traces of nano thurmite found in dust . Thurmite will melt steel . I beleave it was done for lots of different reasons .
We rant and rave about presidents when if you do lots of research you may find they are really just puppets doing what they are told our job is to work and supply the products and money for them that are pulling the strings look up agenda 21 sometime .
thanks Jim, I'm also up on the columns being cut at 45 deg. angles with Thermite. but thanks for the heads up.
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