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Unread 11-19-2009, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Arkansas
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Default Should children be treated and tried like adults?

Alyssa Bustamante, 15, Charged as Adult in Murder of Elizabeth Olten

This story brings up a great question on whether or not children (under the age of 18) should be tried as adults when acts of violence are committed?

Should this particular girl be sent to prison or rehabilitated?
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Unread 11-19-2009, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Sol System
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My guess would be sent to prison.
But a fair summation can only be submitted after hearing both sides , but either way , she'd be sent to prison.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 04:06 AM
 
Location: SA
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Hell yeah she should be tried as an adult. If what they reported was correct she wanted to know how if felt to kill, now she should know how it feels to do the time. I do not believe someone that has the ability to plan the horrible act would not also have considered right or wrong. She needs to be locked away from the public at large for her safety and OURS.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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What sort of home life could a child have to even consider wanting to know 'what it feels like to kill'?
She should be tried as an adult - and her parent (s) should be tried, and spend 20 years in prison right alongside of her. If we don't start demanding that parents watch, listen to, and know what their children are doing, and hold them responsible, we will just see more and more of this. Children are not autonomous.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 06:47 AM
 
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Alyssa Bustamante, 15, Charged as Adult in Murder of Elizabeth Olten

This story brings up a great question on whether or not children (under the age of 18) should be tried as adults when acts of violence are committed?

Should this particular girl be sent to prison or rehabilitated?
This girl does not sound rehabilitatable. Killed a child to find out what it felt like?

Shrinks know that kids who do not develop a conscience/empathy for others by the age of four or five never will. People don't want to hear it, but they cannot be fixed. The best analogy I heard was if you leave salt out of the cake recipe, it won't work to try to sprinkle it on top after the cake is baked.

Ideally, she should be put to sleep, but that won't make us much of a better society, so yes, life in prison is the answer.

There's no one right answer to whether kids should be tried as adults or children. I don't think they should automatically be considered "children"--in history, teenagers have lead armies and won thrones. However, in some cases where the kid shows potential of being able to turn his or her life around, there has to be room to allow them to do so.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Houston/Heights
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Some People are born evil. The guys that use to enjoy pulling the wings off of flies. Or put fire crackers in frogs mouths. Or the ones that would throw a stray cat at somebody standing at the bus stop, as they sped by. --People are not all good. It is in the genes, not the home.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 07:54 AM
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Location: 125 Years Too Late...
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Depends on the situation. In this case, I would give the thumbs up. Lock her up and throw away the key. That's how it feels to kill someone.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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What sort of home life could a child have to even consider wanting to know 'what it feels like to kill'?
She should be tried as an adult - and her parent (s) should be tried, and spend 20 years in prison right alongside of her. If we don't start demanding that parents watch, listen to, and know what their children are doing, and hold them responsible, we will just see more and more of this. Children are not autonomous.
Every child has wondered what it feels like to kill. Every child has wondered what it would feel like to commit suicide. Every child has contemplated some future day when his government would hand him a gun and order him to kill, and wondered what he would do.

It is an article of faith in our national economic and social policy that at least one of every child's parents MUST have a job, and neglect the child for those hours if necessary. If children are growing up without parental attention, there is where you must look for remedy.

It would be interesting to analyze cases of child criminality and see how many of them had a stay-at-home mom. Our society forces moms to go to work, and then you want to imprison them if things go badly while they are away.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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Every child has wondered what it feels like to kill. Every child has wondered what it would feel like to commit suicide. Every child has contemplated some future day when his government would hand him a gun and order him to kill, and wondered what he would do.

It is an article of faith in our national economic and social policy that at least one of every child's parents MUST have a job, and neglect the child for those hours if necessary. If children are growing up without parental attention, there is where you must look for remedy.

It would be interesting to analyze cases of child criminality and see how many of them had a stay-at-home mom. Our society forces moms to go to work, and then you want to imprison them if things go badly while they are away.
Staying at home with a crazy, abusive, or neglectful mother is only going to make matters worse. But I'd like to see the results of such an analysis as you describe.

By the way, I had to work to support my daughter all her childhood. She is in a prestigious college now, has never drank, smoked or done drugs, is a thoughtful person of good character, and I don't think she'll be killing anyone for fun anytime soon. Add that to the analysis.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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It doesn't matter if she had a stay at home mother or not.

We have one sentence out of a lot more information, folks. One sentence. For all we know it was taken off of a police report.

We do know it was premeditated.

Last edited by Pandamonium; 11-19-2009 at 08:35 AM..
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