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Old 11-19-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Da Region
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See, it's all about cuteness and convenience. We fall for how cute an animal is and place human traits on them that don't exist and the moment that the animal no longer portrays those traits, we don't care for them anymore. The convinience comes from not having to kill the animal yourself. If you grow up in an environment where you feed, kill and cook your own meat, you won't have a problem putting animals in their place, which is below us, but in this country most people don't keep livestock so they get used to meat being nothing more than some packaged slices they can pick up at the grocer's freezer. So, all of a sudden, a cow or pig becomes too cute to kill.

In the end, just because you choose not to eat meat doesn't mean that the rest of us have something wrong with us for choosing to eat it.
What a culture eats (dogs, insects, etc.), or won't eat (cow, pork, etc.), is an arbitrary (not universal) line drawn by that culture's necessity. I may not be happy about it, but I have no criticism of it.

I personally do not place human traits on animals. I respect each animal as the species they are; cats kill birds, it's what they do. I do not place a value judgement upon cat behavior, even though I love birds (for that matter, some birds eat birds!). I just keep my cats indoors.

Being a vegetarian since 1993 is for me, neither about convenience nor cuteness. Philosophically, I decided if I could not kill it myself, I would not eat it. I think most shellfish is pretty damned ugly, but I still can't kill it. And let me tell you, I can hack down corn with the best of them!

Fatmancomics, you are right. Just because I do not eat meat doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you for eating it.
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The mere fact that salt peter is in our urine is biological proof that we are a species that was meant to eat meat at least as part of our diet.
You have your cause-and-effect backwards. The composition of the urine of carivores is high in chemicals that result from the decomposition of proteins. If an animal eats protein foods, the urine will be high in saltpeter. If the same animal switches to a low-protein diet, there will be less saltpeter in the urine. The saltpeter in any particular human's urine will reflect how much protein there is in his diet.

We do not eat meat because there is saltpeter in our urine---there is saltpeter in our urine because we eat meat. If you mix a lot of protein into horse fodder, there will be saltpeter in the horse urine. That does not prove that horses are "meant to eat meat".
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I own three different types of animals. A dog, a cat, and ferrets.

I still go hunting, I kill deer, quail, doves, rabbits, squirrels, and fish. Sorry, I love animals, and I love how some of them taste to.

Of course, my dog does help me hunt
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Houston/Heights
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Pity tha poor free range cabbage. Is there no mercy?
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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Frequently people call themselves "animal lovers". Yet at the same time they eat animals. People in animal rescue are the perfect example. They spend countless hours trying to find a home for an abandoned dog/cat, then later that night they cook an animal for dinner. Why does the compassion for dogs and cats not extend to pigs, cows, etc.? They are all animals.

Does this seem hypocritical to you?

Yeah, it's hypocritical. That's why I don't call myself an animal lover. I am a dog lover, a cat lover, etc. - I have no affinity for ungulates.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Frequently people call themselves "animal lovers". Yet at the same time they eat animals. People in animal rescue are the perfect example. They spend countless hours trying to find a home for an abandoned dog/cat, then later that night they cook an animal for dinner. Why does the compassion for dogs and cats not extend to pigs, cows, etc.? They are all animals.

Does this seem hypocritical to you?
If you look at it that way, it does sound kind of hypocritical. The problem is specificity; people don't tell you exactly which animals they love...and which ones make for a tasty dinner. (That's also a form of love, by the way).
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:31 AM
 
Location: NY
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What a culture eats (dogs, insects, etc.), or won't eat (cow, pork, etc.), is an arbitrary (not universal) line drawn by that culture's necessity. I may not be happy about it, but I have no criticism of it.

I personally do not place human traits on animals. I respect each animal as the species they are; cats kill birds, it's what they do. I do not place a value judgement upon cat behavior, even though I love birds (for that matter, some birds eat birds!). I just keep my cats indoors.

Being a vegetarian since 1993 is for me, neither about convenience nor cuteness. Philosophically, I decided if I could not kill it myself, I would not eat it. I think most shellfish is pretty damned ugly, but I still can't kill it. And let me tell you, I can hack down corn with the best of them!

Fatmancomics, you are right. Just because I do not eat meat doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you for eating it.
Well thought out and logical post. Thank you.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Houston/Heights
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I love me a tender Steak, or some nice Pork Chops. Yum!
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:08 AM
 
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Well I like people, but if I was starving and all there was left were people. Well all I can say is that the fat ones better start runnin cause ima chasin.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Ever hear of a Demolition Derby? It's people who love cars smashing them up on a race track.
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