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Old 11-24-2009, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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Wasn't sure if this was posted yet, but figured the topic would be appropriate to this forum:

Patients face bitter choice: Pay up or lose care - Health care- msnbc.com

"The Goodriches’ dilemma is becoming more common as a growing number of doctors enact their own brand of health reform. These physicians are opting out of the system, with some doctors dumping insurance companies altogether and others forcing patients to pay thousands of dollars in cash to keep the care they’re accustomed to."

Thoughts - especially with the HC situation we are facing?
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:46 AM
 
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Well, that will just add more to the class of people that have been doing without health care. How much was that bottled water?
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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Well, another point brought up in the article was:

The move to smaller, premium practices will worsen an already dire shortage of primary care doctors, creating an elite group of well-compensated physicians who see fewer and fewer upscale patients, dumping the rest on their increasingly harried colleagues, critics contend.

The U.S. is short by between 40,000 and 50,000 primary care doctors now, a figure that’s expected to top 125,000 by 2020, according to the American Academy of Family Physicians. That means people who don’t want or can’t afford concierge plans will have a harder time than ever finding a doctor.

But proponents of direct-pay and concierge care say the new models are the result of frustrated doctors defecting from a broken medical system, one that forces physicians to see too many patients for too little pay and with too much red tape.


Seeing this subset of doctors reacting this way for heir particular reasons makes me wonder if we will ever have enough doctors to take care of what could be an enormous insurgence of patients.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Thoughts - especially with the HC situation we are facing?
Giving doctors the power to arbitrarily throw patients into "health care prison" is not a solution. The insurance companies are already doing that.

The HC situation we are facing is not a Health issue, it is a Political issue.

Every country in the world has solved their health care situation, to the extent that any situation can be at least partially solved. All we have to do is pick one at random and apply it. The HC situation will then be significantly improved.

There is only one country in the world that has had a universal health care system, and thrown it out and replaced it with the American system. Iraq. It was the first order of business after we deposed Saddam.
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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And what do you think the solution is?
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:09 AM
 
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And what do you think the solution is?
They don't care as long as "It doesn't cost me anything."
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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Who are "they"?
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Old 11-24-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Houston/Heights
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In a Free enterprise system people can do that. Making a good living is not easy with all the gubment programs and insurance premiums. a Man has to do, what a Man has to do. How many good Men did we loose in Afghanistan last month. Nobody seems to concerned about that. where is that outrage?

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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And what do you think the solution is?
Are you asking me? There is no solution to the childish wrangling partisan political foolishness this country has gotten itself into. Except maybe a firing squad. Or maybe we could just whack politicians up aside the head with rolled up newspapers and say "We are talking about people living or dying here, not just your egos and corporate profits."

As for the health care system, as I said, just pick any country at random and do it their way. It would certainly be an improvement.

Here is a challenge for you. Find one single American who is on Medicare who wishes he had private insurance instead. Just one. If you can't find one, then put everybody on Medicare. By the way, I'll bet you can't link to a single article in a Canadian newspaper that faults the Canadian system, either. Canadians love their system, and are proud of it, and the few who don't are getting paid to write op-ed pieces for American papers, who are rushing to embrace the disgruntled.

By the way, let me tell you what life in America would be like without Medicare. I am on Social Security and Medicare. My entire annual income is less than you are paying in health insurance premiums alone. So, how would that work? If I had to buy my health insurance from your company, what would I have left over to live on?

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Old 11-24-2009, 10:20 AM
 
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Who are "they"?
The ones that seem to think it will be free or at a very low cost..
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