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Old 12-13-2009, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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I am against all forms of prohibition. All citizens should be allowed to own whatever chemical substance they want. The only problem will be when their behavior affects others directly. Anyone directly affected by say, drunkenness should have the power to force the drunkard to stay sober. Same thing with smokers, but when people do these things without affecting others it is not a problem. Drug abuse takes place with or without prohibition, as alcohol use did during prohibition. Only non-citizens or those we call "under the age of consent" should be prohibited from consuming alcohol or any other substance if the parents or other responsible adults object.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:23 PM
 
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There is no link between diabetes and chocolate. In fact, chocolate is very high in flavonols, which are important for good health in many ways, including protection against cancer and heart disease. It is the sugar in commercial chocolate products that is bad for diabetes.

Damnit!..I knew someone was going to say this.. But I thought it would be TKramer.

I was floating right along before this guy butted in...lol..j/k...

But I will say that chocolate in the form which people consume it actually does cause diabetes. Unless people are walking around eating raw cocoa with nothing else added.
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Old 12-13-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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Why do we discourage...say...necrophilia? It has no effect on OUR lives, and the corpse certainly doesn't care.

Why do we discourage people from riding motorcycles without a helmet? Or not wearing a seat belt? Why make any laws at all?

To be honest, I DONT care if people are necrophiliacs. I think its disgusting, immoral and twisted myself. But as you said, it has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

Why do we discourage people from wearing seatbelts/helmets?...Because our govt needs a source of tax revenue from people who dont do these things. Fines obviously = paychecks for Public Servants (police, patrolmen). Also if we didnt require seatbelts or helmets, taxpayers would be paying through the nose by trying to bury or treat all of the people who would have been injured or killed if they didnt use safety precautions. So essentially it would effect each of us eventually.

Which is fine. But if you truly believe something doesnt affect you, then why discourage it?
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Old 12-13-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Damnit!..I knew someone was going to say this.. But I thought it would be TKramer.

I was floating right along before this guy butted in...lol..j/k...

But I will say that chocolate in the form which people consume it actually does cause diabetes. Unless people are walking around eating raw cocoa with nothing else added.
It does no harm to add raw cocoa when cooking, or add it to something that is already sweetened. For example, I put raw powdered cocoa on vanilla ice cream as a topping. Popular African style cooking consists of a meat stew with banana, peanuts and raw cocoa, which is delicious.
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Damnit!..I knew someone was going to say this.. But I thought it would be TKramer.

I was floating right along before this guy butted in...lol..j/k...

But I will say that chocolate in the form which people consume it actually does cause diabetes. Unless people are walking around eating raw cocoa with nothing else added.
Mexicans like it bitter.
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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To be honest, I DONT care if people are necrophiliacs. I think its disgusting, immoral and twisted myself. But as you said, it has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

Why do we discourage people from wearing seatbelts/helmets?...Because our govt needs a source of tax revenue from people who dont do these things. Fines obviously = paychecks for Public Servants (police, patrolmen). Also if we didnt require seatbelts or helmets, taxpayers would be paying through the nose by trying to bury or treat all of the people who would have been injured or killed if they didnt use safety precautions. So essentially it would effect each of us eventually.

Which is fine. But if you truly believe something doesnt affect you, then why discourage it?
But SOCIETY..not you, not I..actively discourages it. They also address any other issue relating to health or public safety. Consider smoking, for instance. If I smoke, it doesn't hurt YOU--but you may still want to ban it from public places.
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Old 12-13-2009, 11:22 PM
 
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But SOCIETY..not you, not I..actively discourages it. They also address any other issue relating to health or public safety. Consider smoking, for instance. If I smoke, it doesn't hurt YOU--but you may still want to ban it from public places.

Society's discouragement of certain behavior has more to do with religious establishment than the live and let live attitude that I would have. Even the discouragement of alcohol was initiated as religious superstition. Without religion I doubt that we would think twice about drinking. Only recently have we discovered its ill effects on health, when consumed excessively. However again, everything we put in our body has an adverse effect if consumed excessively.

BTW, the chocolate that my mom brought me back from Mexico wasnt very bitter at all. I thought it was rather good actually.

And havent we touched on the whole second hand smoke thing already?
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Religion? So that's why monks were some of the first brewmasters and winemakers?
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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And havent we touched on the whole second hand smoke thing already?
Yes, we did touch on that, but you won't find these posts, they were all deleted. The moderator, apparently thought they were off topic .
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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Yes, we did touch on that, but you won't find these posts, they were all deleted. The moderator, apparently thought they were off topic .
Yes, nearly this whole thread was deleted because everything was "off topic", and these two posts will be deleted as well. lol, oh well
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