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Old 12-21-2009, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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A library is the last place we should be practicing censorship.

 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:25 AM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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You mean, you can't figure out a way to punish "creeps", so you punish the children instead? And, yes, withholding or denying educational tools to the curious is a form of punishment.
So let me get this straight...

NOT having porn in the public library is somehow punishing children?

Geez Louise, that's brilliant!
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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NOT having porn in the public library is somehow punishing children?
Geez Louise, that's brilliant!
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It takes a person with a curious and inquisitive mind to grasp that concept.

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Using emoticons to communicate? Geez Louise, that's brilliant!
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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It takes a person with a broad and curious and inquisitive mind to comprehend that concept.
No it doesn't. It takes somebody who is just throwing up stupid, pointless arguments.

Keeping pornography away from children is NOT punishing them. Only a childless pervert would think it was.
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No it doesn't. It takes somebody who is just throwing up stupid, pointless arguments.

Keeping pornography away from children is NOT punishing them. Only a childless pervert would think it was.
If you had ever known a child with a curious and inquisitive mind (or, heaven forbid, actually been one) , you might know that blocking them from awareness of or exposure to things they wonder about is a form of Grounding. Commonly used as a punishment.

""Shut up", he explained." ---Ring Lardner
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There are laws against both.

To protect children--not to protect adults.
???

Where did you come up with this?
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Do you already take pains not to run over kids? Or do you look for kids to run over?

It would be easy for them to be exposed to things they should not be--unless we remove it from them in public. If their parents WANT them to see it, they can do so at home.

Is public nudity acceptable? What about public drunkenness? Why do we bother with "rating" movies?
Yes. Allowing free access to the internet in a public library is exactly like trolling around in your car looking for children to run over. Exactly.

The point is that there is a whole world fraught with danger out there. Actual real danger. All sorts of things might happen!
The answer is not to ban everything that doesn't suit your tastes and then wrap yourself in charmin and hide in your house.

That's why you parent. That's why you supervise. That's why you instill values and responsibility in your children so that when you're not there, they can make the right choices.

It's not just about running around banning things you find of questionable taste (and in this case, of questionable actual danger) so that your kids might not accidentally run into it.

To answer your other questions, public nudity and drunkenness are legal in some parts of the country and illegal in others. And the point of rating movies is to give people an rough guide of what level of subject matter they're getting into.
 
Old 12-21-2009, 08:56 AM
 
Location: The Hall of Justice
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I don't want some committee deciding that the Venus de Milo is inappropriate for me to look at because she's naked. What about Facebook, MySpace, Flickr, YouTube, or similar sites? Those can have nudity, profanity, violence, or objectionable content, but I don't think those should be blocked "just in case."

Somebody has to draw the line. It's all well and good if it's someone who agrees with you, but it could be someone who doesn't. I think my library has a good solution to the problem: leave it up to the parents, and provide separate areas for different levels of access. The computer rooms have doors so passersby can't hear, and windows so there aren't any shenanigans. Children under 8 have to be accompanied by an adult at all times.

I was mistaken earlier about the levels of access. There are three, not two.

Unfiltered
Level 1 filtering (blocking of obscene or otherwise harmful content, e-mail/chat/social sites allowed)
Level 2 filtering (blocking of obscene content, e-mail, chat, social sites, etc.)

The Children's Room is set to Level 2. Minors may use the Adults' Room with parental consent (set via their library card).

http://www.naperville-lib.org/atl/libpolicy/policy255.pdf (broken link)
 
Old 12-21-2009, 10:22 AM
 
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If you had ever known a child with a curious and inquisitive mind (or, heaven forbid, actually been one) , you might know that blocking them from awareness of or exposure to things they wonder about is a form of Grounding. Commonly used as a punishment.

""Shut up", he explained." ---Ring Lardner
My wife and I have successfully raised 3 extremely intelligent, well-adjusted and successful children. Don't presume to stand in your little stink-hole and lecture me about child-rearing.

Children should not have pornography thrown at them, especially in a public library. And keeping that from happening is not a punishment. Making that claim is asinine.
 
Old 12-21-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: California
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It's hard to have a serious discussion with people who think nudity and porn are so close that it takes an arbritrary decision to decide which is which. Who think viewing the statue of David might be at risk if a library bans the viewing of Backdoor Sluts 2 on the public computer. Such insanely immature minds at work here.

I've changed my mind. Porn should be banned in public libraries and I now WILL support that should I have the opportunity. Porn has only one purpose and that purpose doesn't belong in a library. Cry all you want but that's how it is.
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