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Old 02-10-2010, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Default Should we bring back poor farms?

It seems like an ok idea in theory. People who are down on their luck could live on a poor farm, having food and shelter provided for them. However they were all expected to work the farm insomuch as their bodies would allow them.

In practice, however, I don't know much about them, as they were well before my time. What do you all think?
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Old 02-10-2010, 12:11 PM
 
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NO reason for this IMO. The requirement of the able-bodied receiving Medicaid to do some work, in some capacity, would accomplish the same goal. The problem is that those who are on Medicaid and able-bodied have no incentive to fend for themselves because they know the government will provide.
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Old 02-10-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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They didn't work a century ago, and they sure as heck wouldn't work now. There are far too many lazy people who are financially rewarded for not working. There's no way they'll ever be willing to actually work again.
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Old 02-10-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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I can think of some reasons to bring back poor farms.

They get the homeless off the streets. They are in one place and organized. Those who can work must do so. Not only could they raise their own food, but also produce some product to sell.

It is much cheaper for the state or city since one facility can take care of hundreds, instead of subsidizing individual houses or apts.

Crime would go down and education and health care better provided.

A modern, more compassionate, version of the old Victorian system could go a long way towards economically solving social problems.

Mainstreaming has not proven to work well and a lot of subsidized housing has turned into cess pools.

Not everyone can make it on their own- some people are better off with supervision.
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Give me 160 acres of decent land and I'll go do it in a second!
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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I can think of some reasons to bring back poor farms.

They get the homeless off the streets. They are in one place and organized. Those who can work must do so. Not only could they raise their own food, but also produce some product to sell.

It is much cheaper for the state or city since one facility can take care of hundreds, instead of subsidizing individual houses or apts.

Crime would go down and education and health care better provided.

A modern, more compassionate, version of the old Victorian system could go a long way towards economically solving social problems.

Mainstreaming has not proven to work well and a lot of subsidized housing has turned into cess pools.

Not everyone can make it on their own- some people are better off with supervision.
Part of the problem is that in order to do this, you would have to reverse the Deinstitutionalization that took place in the early 60s. It would require law enforcement officials to be able to move - and essentially lock up - the homeless and mentally ill, and to do it against their wills.

Right or wrong, I do not see that sort of thing ever happening.
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:13 PM
 
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Give me 160 acres of decent land and I'll go do it in a second!
I see you selectively used the word GIVE.
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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I can think of some reasons to bring back poor farms.

They get the homeless off the streets. They are in one place and organized. Those who can work must do so. Not only could they raise their own food, but also produce some product to sell.

It is much cheaper for the state or city since one facility can take care of hundreds, instead of subsidizing individual houses or apts.

Crime would go down and education and health care better provided.

A modern, more compassionate, version of the old Victorian system could go a long way towards economically solving social problems.

Mainstreaming has not proven to work well and a lot of subsidized housing has turned into cess pools.

Not everyone can make it on their own- some people are better off with supervision.

Government internment camps (which is exactly what is being suggested by those in support) do not have a favorable history in the USA. They have been use extensivley in Russia, China, Nazi Germany, and other oppressive societies.

"Social problems" require the behavior be addressed and changed, not simply to have money thrown at them.
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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probably off topic, but i think we should bring back "family farms"!
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:34 PM
 
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I see you selectively used the word GIVE.

Well, yea. I'm entitled to it. It's not fair that people got to homestead 100 years ago but I don't.
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