Shattering The Meat Myth: Humans Are Natural Vegetarians (financial, religion, documents)

[nezlie]

Were Adam and Eve vegetarians in the Garden of Eden or did they go around eating the peaceful animals by their side.... just wondering?

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[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by nezlie

Were Adam and Eve vegetarians in the Garden of Eden or did they go around eating the peaceful animals by their side.... just wondering?

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Well if you're a creationist, God immediately gave Adam and Eve fur to wear and had them eat meat when they were kicked out of the garden in that story...

[Fat Freddy]

Originally Posted by nezlie

Were Adam and Eve vegetarians in the Garden of Eden or did they go around eating the peaceful animals by their side.... just wondering?

The way I remember it from Sunday School, they ate Ice Cream and Chocolate Drops served by naked babies with wings.

But then they ate the Snake Apples and God got mad and kicked them out of the garden.

Then there were no more flying naked babies serving ice cream and candy, instead there were ugly little monsters with spears and pointed tails who made them do hard work, made them cry all the time, and made them eat dead animals.

[CaroleF]

I think humans have always been omnivores, but what makes us different from animals is that we have the power of discrimination and can choose what we eat. Some of us choose vegetarianism for health and/or spiritual reasons, among others. I see making choices of this sort as a sign of our evolving to become real human beings.

[groar]

exactly. it reminds me of the debate over whether homosexuality is a choice. in my opinion it doesn't matter if it's a choice - either you think it's wrong or you don't.

i think it's clear that people in the west, especially in the u.s., eat too much meat. but i also think it's perfectly healthy to have an omnivorous diet where meat and dairy and eaten in moderation. it's also perfectly healthy to have a vegan or vegetarian diet, of course.

[nezlie]

Originally Posted by Fat Freddy

The way I remember it from Sunday School, they ate Ice Cream and Chocolate Drops served by naked babies with wings.

But then they ate the Snake Apples and God got mad and kicked them out of the garden.

Then there were no more flying naked babies serving ice cream and candy, instead there were ugly little monsters with spears and pointed tails who made them do hard work, made them cry all the time, and made them eat dead animals.

I think when they started out life in the Garden of Eden, they were 100% frugivores (fruit eaters). The reason according to Genesis.. God made the trees available to them except for two trees, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. He did not want them eating the fruits from those two trees, but they could from all the other trees. Of course we know that things changed after they were banished from the garden and had to adapt to an omnivorous diet.

I posted this because while some of us look for hard evidence on things, there are others that rely more on scripture. That should cover all the bases.

[CaroleF]

I have heard that there are documents in the Vatican that show that Jesus taught vegetarianism. It seems that all the great mystics did. It is hard to believe otherwise.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by CaroleF

I have heard that there are documents in the Vatican that show that Jesus taught vegetarianism. It seems that all the great mystics did. It is hard to believe otherwise.

Incorrect.

[CaroleF]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Incorrect.

How do you know? I don't think you can prove me wrong any more than I can prove you wrong.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by CaroleF

How do you know? I don't think you can prove me wrong any more than I can prove you wrong.

I've studied the Bible and the related books not contained in it extensively. I'm fairly well familiar with much of what the Vatican has as well. One of my professors in my college days (studied history) had been to the Vatican Secret Archives twice in fact.

Firstly, the Gospels directly contradict any claim of Jesus being vegetarian as he eats fish in it, and reading between the lines, he likely ate other meats typical of Jews of that period (infrequent, primarily during important times). Several of his parables discuss shepherds, slaughtering of animals (such as the fattened calf) by people for celebrations, etc. The Gnostic gospels which make all sorts of strange claims lack any credibility because they were forgeries, pure fiction.

The Bible also contains a reference to the end days when people will not eat meat. This struck people in that era as incredibly bizarre as almost no one would refuse meat back then since it was so highly valued.

Jesus as a vegetarian just isn't supported by the historical evidence.