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Old 03-19-2010, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Lake Kimble, TX.
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Nice non-answer.

From my own experience growing up in a poor neighborhood in the city, and having friends along with me who were living in poverty as well, I can tell you that the ones who got into the most trouble were the ones whose parents didn't know or care where they were after dark. They allowed their kids to run wild and those were the ones who as everyone predicted would end up dead or in prison. The ones who had at least one parent who guided them, cared about them, spent quality time with them typically came out alright. It's not a perfect formula, there will always be exceptions, but to pass the blame on to poverty is naive at best.

I'm fairly confident that not all minorities who grow up in poverty resort to a life of crime. Most don't, and the ones that do, often don't have a strong parental figure in the home.

People have to take tests to possess a driver's license and own a car...any moron can have kids. It's not big secret what happens to them if you don't raise them properly.

Great answer! And yes, it is about personal responsibility. No one is responsible for the acts of someone else. You make your own decisions in life, some good, some bad. And it only takes one bad decision to change your life forever. Teenagers end up in prison because, many times, not all instances, prison is socially accepted and even expected by some in their social circle.

Some wear their "time" as a badge of honor, bragging about their crime and sentence during incarceration and upon release.
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Old 03-19-2010, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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When prisons become for-profit facilities in the private sector, they become their own reason for their existence, and they must be fed. Instead of a society with a goal of keeping people out of prison, our new goal now is to feed people into the ever-increasing numbers of prisons in order to drive our economic engine and this new growth industry.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Lake Kimble, TX.
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When prisons become for-profit facilities in the private sector, they become their own reason for their existence, and they must be fed. Instead of a society with a goal of keeping people out of prison, our new goal now is to feed people into the ever-increasing numbers of prisons in order to drive our economic engine and this new growth industry.

So, the prison industry causes the crimes? Gotcha.... Guess the medical community causes cancer and heart disease to "drive the economic engine."
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So, the prison industry causes the crimes? Gotcha.... Guess the medical community causes cancer and heart disease to "drive the economic engine."
Yes, the prison industry causes people to be sent to prison who don't need to be in prison. Just as the medical industry causes tests that don't need to be done to diagnose conditions, treatments for conditions that would take care of themselves, and drugs that are sold to people who aren't even advised to change their living habits, diets or lifestyle. To drive the economic engine.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Lake Kimble, TX.
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Cancer and heart disease cures itself? On what planet?

Crimes would be committed at a much higher rate if there weren't prisons to contain offenders. Once you've been a victim of violent crime, I'm sure you'll change your tune...........
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Cancer and heart disease cures itself? On what planet?

Crimes would be committed at a much higher rate if there weren't prisons to contain offenders. Once you've been a victim of violent crime, I'm sure you'll change your tune...........
You don't know, do you, that a lot of people who go to doctors and hospltals don't have cancer and heart disease.

You don't know, do you, that a lot of people in prisons are not murderers.

What planet are you from?

OK, I'll use your analogy. Buying lottery tickets expecting to get rich is foolish? But I'm sure you'll change your tune when you win the powerball.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Yes, the prison industry causes people to be sent to prison who don't need to be in prison. Just as the medical industry causes tests that don't need to be done to diagnose conditions, treatments for conditions that would take care of themselves, and drugs that are sold to people who aren't even advised to change their living habits, diets or lifestyle. To drive the economic engine.
Not allowed to give the above a positive rating, but I found a link for those who don't believe, that healthcare is nothing, but profit making industry:
Unnecessary surgery exposed! Why 60% of all surgeries are medically unjustified and how surgeons exploit patients to generate profits

How many billions of $$$ wasted? And this is just one industry.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:31 PM
 
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Aha---another reply saying "If only people would stop causing problems, we'd have no problems. We can solve all our problems by not causing them."

If people would stop being poor, we'd have no poor. If people would stop committing crimes, we'd have no crime. If people would drive safely, we'd have fewer accidents. If kids studied harder, they'd do better in school. All summed up in the catch-all mantra, people ought to exercise Personal Responsibility. Every problem can be solved by sitting in your living room saying "Personal Responsibility".
Well, welcome to the world where people stand-up for themselves.

What do you think, you were born for someone else to take care of you?

Most of us learn this at an early age - Our families teach us this. But then again, most of us do not come from families that always had their hands out.

Many of us come from poverty and hardship just as severe as anyone else in this country - But, we start early in life by doing things like packing bags in supermarkets, delivering newspapers and any other job where we could earn few dollars per day. And we never felt "stigmatized" about it.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:36 PM
 
Location: southern california
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we continue to accuse the system for the incarcerations. this is both irrational and ignores personal responsibility. violence needs to stop being preached and supported in the poor urban areas.
when detroit is concerned about the problem instead of CDF, it will get better.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:42 PM
 
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Default Getting back to topic...

I'm a strong believer in the youthful-offender programs. I even think that it should be valid up to the age of 21 (The drinking age apparently is the age of reason according to society, so why not?).

Youthful-offender programs give young people a chance to start off on a clean slate. And that is fair. Many people screw-up in their youth.

With these programs, good, dedicated counselors are important. But, family is
also important. When they have a caring family, a young person feels guilt about doing something wrong when they think about what their family will feel about it. And that is why the parents must be involved.

And, if the parents are not capable of contributing, then you must ask yourself if a young person would be better off without them. Let's face it - some parents are living disasters - And, the young people would be better off in foster homes.
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