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Old 03-17-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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The poor rehab services for teenage offenders are shocking. Why are there so many more minority teenagers in prisons? What interventions should be implemented for these teenagers to grow up to be successful adults?
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:33 PM
 
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The juvenile system in thsi coutnry is terrible. bascailly it is based on the idea juveniles are not confined unless their is no supoervision available or none being adminitered before the staes take them. As to why the number of moinorities well look at the prison system for adults.I am really not so sure that juveniles are able to be rehabed in many cases with teh laws being what thet are. it takes a long record of serious offenses to be committed to a juvenile facity in this country;unless a murder.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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Corporations that own and operate prisons are traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Follow the money.

Corporate prisons are paid by the state, on a per inmate per day basis. Time off for good behavior costs shareholders money. High-profit solution: Create conditions inside that minimize the risk of good behavior cutting into shareholder profits.

Recidivism is good for business. Good behavior is bad for business. Follow the money.
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Old 03-18-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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The poor rehab services for teenage offenders are shocking. Why are there so many more minority teenagers in prisons? What interventions should be implemented for these teenagers to grow up to be successful adults?
Parents who take an active role in their child's lives. It's not the state's job to raise them.
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Old 03-18-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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Parents who take an active role in their child's lives. It's not the state's job to raise them.
Aha---another reply saying "If only people would stop causing problems, we'd have no problems. We can solve all our problems by not causing them."

If people would stop being poor, we'd have no poor. If people would stop committing crimes, we'd have no crime. If people would drive safely, we'd have fewer accidents. If kids studied harder, they'd do better in school. All summed up in the catch-all mantra, people ought to exercise Personal Responsibility. Every problem can be solved by sitting in your living room saying "Personal Responsibility".
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Old 03-18-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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Aha---another reply saying "If only people would stop causing problems, we'd have no problems. We can solve all our problems by not causing them."

If people would stop being poor, we'd have no poor. If people would stop committing crimes, we'd have no crime. If people would drive safely, we'd have fewer accidents. If kids studied harder, they'd do better in school. All summed up in the catch-all mantra, people ought to exercise Personal Responsibility. Every problem can be solved by sitting in your living room saying "Personal Responsibility".
What's your solution? Would you rather be micro-managed by big brother? Perhaps Uncle Sugar should give everyone a million dollars, do you think that would actually solve the nation's problems? Or do we just line them all up and shoot them? Please enlighten us.
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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What's your solution? Would you rather be micro-managed by big brother? Perhaps Uncle Sugar should give everyone a million dollars, do you think that would actually solve the nation's problems? Or do we just line them all up and shoot them? Please enlighten us.
Naw, just let Libertarians take over, and people with the most guns can shoot whomever they want. Since that extreme is the only alternative to the present communist extreme of micro-management and million-dollar handouts.

My solution would be a moderate middle ground, of reasonable people making judgments on a case by case basis for the good of the general public. Soime concern for people whose interests and personality are different from your own. Completely alien to your way of thinking, so I don't expect you to understand the concept.

No, wait. You've already solved the problem. You sat at your keyboard and typed "Parents who take an active role in their child's lives." There. Problem solved. That's all that was necessary, and you did it all by yourself. Oops---wait a minute. I still see some parents out there who are not taking an active role. Now what do we do? Just saying they should didn't fix anything.
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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Naw, just let Libertarians take over, and people with the most guns can shoot whomever they want. Since that extreme is the only alternative to the present communist extreme of micro-management and million-dollar handouts.

My solution would be a moderate middle ground, of reasonable people making judgments on a case by case basis for the good of the general public. Soime concern for people whose interests and personality are different from your own. Completely alien to your way of thinking, so I don't expect you to understand the concept.

No, wait. You've already solved the problem. You sat at your keyboard and typed "Parents who take an active role in their child's lives." There. Problem solved. That's all that was necessary, and you did it all by yourself. Oops---wait a minute. I still see some parents out there who are not taking an active role. Now what do we do? Just saying they should didn't fix anything.
Nice non-answer.

From my own experience growing up in a poor neighborhood in the city, and having friends along with me who were living in poverty as well, I can tell you that the ones who got into the most trouble were the ones whose parents didn't know or care where they were after dark. They allowed their kids to run wild and those were the ones who as everyone predicted would end up dead or in prison. The ones who had at least one parent who guided them, cared about them, spent quality time with them typically came out alright. It's not a perfect formula, there will always be exceptions, but to pass the blame on to poverty is naive at best.

I'm fairly confident that not all minorities who grow up in poverty resort to a life of crime. Most don't, and the ones that do, often don't have a strong parental figure in the home.

People have to take tests to possess a driver's license and own a car...any moron can have kids. It's not big secret what happens to them if you don't raise them properly.
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Old 03-18-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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Aha---another reply saying "If only people would stop causing problems, we'd have no problems. We can solve all our problems by not causing them."

If people would stop being poor, we'd have no poor. If people would stop committing crimes, we'd have no crime. If people would drive safely, we'd have fewer accidents. If kids studied harder, they'd do better in school. All summed up in the catch-all mantra, people ought to exercise Personal Responsibility. Every problem can be solved by sitting in your living room saying "Personal Responsibility".
So you don't believe in "Personal Responsibility"?
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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Nathaniel Abraham of Pontiac, Michigan.

In 1997 at age 11 he shot 18 year old Ronnie Green with a rifle from about 70 yards away, just for the thrill of it.

In 1999 at age 13 he was convicted of second degree murder for that killing. He was sent into juvenile system, not to prison. Over one million dollars was spent on his rehabilitation. No kidding...google it.

Released from the juvenile system at age 21. Continued to receive state aid for housing and for a college education.

Arrested at age 22 while in possession of 254 pills of Extasy. Charged with possession with intent to deliver. Pled guilty to posession and received a four year sentence.

The system did everything it could to help Nathaniel Abraham become a successful adult.

Tragically, some kids just can't be rescued.
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