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Old 03-25-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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No black man was ever a slave as the property of a white man in what became the U.S. without they are their predecessors first being enslaved by, owned by, and sold by, a fellow black man in Africa.

There's a half truth in this. Although Africans were full participants in the African slave trade, in no way shape or form are they responsible for the instituion of racism that evolved in the United States. That is the responsibility and the burden of the United Statesn and only the United States.


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Just keep that in mind. Don't forget who committed the original sin of enslavement, and don't forget that exactly that same thing continues each and every day since, including today, yesterday, and if there is one, tommorow, on that continent.
What exactly does that have to do with the United States?

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Don't forget. Keep it in the forefront of memory if and when somebody plays, or contemplates playing the "slavery" card.
What does slavery in Africa have to do with slavery in the United States?
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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Ah this is true...however the US seems to be the only country with this unique brand of racism in its history (minus modern day Palestine).
Really? It's found in most countries, I can't help it that you are unaware of this though. Want some examples?

-Sammy Sosa, skin bleaching in S. American countries where less black is better.
-Mexico....treatment of indigenous.
-Australia, aboriginees.
-Korea, treatment of bi-racial children of service people among others.
-India, an entire caste system
-France, muslims

I will stop there....
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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I'm a conservative myself, but I think he's done a reasonably good job. I think it's crazy to speculate either way until his full 4 years are up.
He's had to make some tough decisions, that's for sure. And some of those decisions were unavoidably socialists in nature.

However, I really think he approach on Healthcare Reform, or "Insurance Reform" which he has newly dubbed it, is pretty lousy.

I won't get into it with any specifics here, but there is another thread just a bit below this one where I explained the reasons why.

Other than that, with current economic times, 2 wars, and the fallout from previous foreign policy, there's just no way around for any president last election to inevitably be a one-termer.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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Really? It's found in most countries, I can't help it that you are unaware of this though. Want some examples?

-Sammy Sosa, skin bleaching in S. American countries where less black is better.
-Mexico....treatment of indigenous.
-Australia, aboriginees.
-Korea, treatment of bi-racial children of service people among others.
-India, an entire caste system
-France, muslims

I will stop there....
Or the bizarre nature of black on black racism all throughout Africa?
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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Here is a great example:

Flap over black trustee spills onto USC gridiron - WIS News 10 - Columbia, South Carolina |

Black lawmakers urge black players to not play for the university unless the board elections produce sufficient racial diversity.

Um, that's great but doesn't this also mean since the university has a disproportionate number of black athletes that they need to cut some of them and replace them with other ethnicities?

Realistically, the fact of the matter is that different cultural groups in the US tend to have a different emphasis, especially in the direction of their childs efforts towards sports or education.

Go check out the cultural\ethnic makeup of the students with the top ACT\SAT's, then check out the cultural\ethnic makeup of all the students that got Division 1 sports scholarships....they are VERY VERY different from the typical distribution of the US population.

However, we then want to use merit in some activities and racial quotas in others. <sigh>
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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He's had to make some tough decisions, that's for sure. And some of those decisions were unavoidably socialists in nature.

However, I really think he approach on Healthcare Reform, or "Insurance Reform" which he has newly dubbed it, is pretty lousy.

I won't get into it with any specifics here, but there is another thread just a bit below this one where I explained the reasons why.

Other than that, with current economic times, 2 wars, and the fallout from previous foreign policy, there's just no way around for any president last election to inevitably be a one-termer.

I can't really discuss the health care issue not being in the profession myself. I've heard radical pros and cons for it from both sides, and in the long run I really don't know who is actually closer to the truth. The only thing that seems to leave a doubt in my mind is the staggering price tag of it all.

Given the war, and the economic crises...I really do think that he took the necessary actions to adequately address it. At this point I think it's too early to say whether or not it has already gone into full metamorphisis and whether we can expect a full upswing. Personally I don't think he could have brought better people into his camp to deal with it (e.g. Larry Summers). My support will rest entirely on what the picture looks like 2 years from now.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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My support will rest entirely on what the picture looks like 2 years from now.
It's just too bad that's it's an "all or nothing" gamble. Had our debt spending practices not been on par with that of a college kid with a credit card, we could afford to comfortably make such reform.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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It's just too bad that's it's an "all or nothing" gamble. Had our debt spending practices not been on par with that of a college kid with a credit card, we could afford to comfortably make such reform.
Well I think it's pretty basic. If there has been substantial improvement...then I'd vote for him. If not, scrap him and go with another plan.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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Really? It's found in most countries, I can't help it that you are unaware of this though. Want some examples?

-Sammy Sosa, skin bleaching in S. American countries where less black is better.
-Mexico....treatment of indigenous.
-Australia, aboriginees.
-Korea, treatment of bi-racial children of service people among others.
-India, an entire caste system
-France, muslims

I will stop there....



All bad examples...

I can name more bad examples...
South Africa, Boers, colourdes, blacks
Rwanda Hutus, Tutsi's
Russia/Eastern Europe, mulsims, gypsies
Turks, Armenians

Although those countries are certainly no stranger to racial and ethnic oppression, not a single one of them endorses the concept that "all men are created equal.." within their history. Those words alone are created the the change of tide for addressing systemic oppressive "inequalities" amongst the races. Hell, the woman's suffarage movement rode on that tidal wave as well. The colonists were employing a similar brand of oppression that forced them to create a sovereign nation from the British. It's the hypocrisy more than anything that made the United States unqiue in its brand of racism that forced it to live up to its own standards. THis is not true with the countries that are mentioned above. I made an exception for Israel because the Israelis appear to be employing similar tactics to the Palestinians that Europeans have used on them for centuries.

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Old 03-25-2010, 10:25 PM
 
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Seriously, affirmative action needs to go. It may have started off with good intentions, but it has simply become a way of giving preferential treatment to under-qualified minorities. What ever happened to rewarding the most qualified candidates--regardless of their race??
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