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Old 05-15-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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I didn't see the link, and I see you chose to read the worst into my post.

The point I was trying to make is that White pride, Black Pride, Asian pride or Hispanic Pride for that matter won't enable progress.

Or in other words: I don't think you'll fight ignorance within one colour by applying the same in another, you just create polarization. You change the world and society by being better than the current standard, and you change it one person at the time, starting with yourself.

Let me ask you this: Why is it so important to have pride in your colour?
That is mighty pompus of you to say because you are the favored group. You only have something to lose....which is to not be recognized for your greatness and superiority. You likely see these kids as "very perceptive". What da problem is

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Old 05-15-2010, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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You are right. It's disgusting and truly sickening when whites say that blacks should just get over or forget slavery and other parts of Americas racist history.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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Irish were slaves for a LONG time, why don't we need Irish-centric schools? Please reply
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village, MD
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And this is why the issue of race will never be resolved. When seeing is not believing....and cognitive dissonance rules.....its hopeless. There is none as blind as thos who refuse to see.
You know, if you think about it.. curly haired people are always presented in a negative or crazy light...usually 'murders' in movies have crazy curly hair, (heck look at Side Show Bob).. yet I don't have self hatred for having curly hair, even though I was flat out made fun of, etc..Constantly I'm seeing flat irons, products to combat my naturally curly hair... Beautiful women have straight hair, or curly hair via curling irons, but never naturally curly hair... But. because my dad always insisted my hair was part of why I was beautiful, etc.I never hated my hair. I found it hard to work with, yes, but it never created a problem like it may have someone else with lack of family involvement.... so why is it that black people can't have the same impact within a family?

While I understand that no one was enslaved for their natural hair style, it's a similar context of societal pressure... What I'm saying is, NO MATTER HOW hard society says anything, a good family foundation can change the way a child would see themselves.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 04:03 PM
 
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Well...how do these children learn that whiteness represents a positive self image? Even if their parent presented a negative image....how do whites get to be the positiv image?
You think the two are mutually exclusive? If I learn math I can't learn english at the same time? Are you saying these children are not able to comprehend more than one idea? I'm a proud American-Hispanic with a positive image of both whites and hispanics. I don't remember going to any Hispanocentric schools.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 04:07 PM
 
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You know, if you think about it.. curly haired people are always presented in a negative or crazy light...usually 'murders' in movies have crazy curly hair, (heck look at Side Show Bob).. yet I don't have self hatred for having curly hair, even though I was flat out made fun of, etc..Constantly I'm seeing flat irons, products to combat my naturally curly hair... Beautiful women have straight hair, or curly hair via curling irons, but never naturally curly hair... But. because my dad always insisted my hair was part of why I was beautiful, etc.I never hated my hair. I found it hard to work with, yes, but it never created a problem like it may have someone else with lack of family involvement.... so why is it that black people can't have the same impact within a family?

While I understand that no one was enslaved for their natural hair style, it's a similar context of societal pressure... What I'm saying is, NO MATTER HOW hard society says anything, a good family foundation can change the way a child would see themselves.
I don't recall any of the children...who are usually brutally honest.....say a dang thing about hair. What kind of person are you that you just will not see whats there but must try to deflect from reality?
 
Old 05-15-2010, 04:11 PM
 
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You think the two are mutually exclusive? If I learn math I can't learn english at the same time? Are you saying these children are not able to comprehend more than one idea? I'm a proud American-Hispanic with a positive image of both whites and hispanics. I don't remember going to any Hispanocentric schools.
Hispance and white are not mutually exclusive and Hispanic speaking nations have the same color hierachy. That said, your use of mutual exclusion makes no sense to me.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 04:18 PM
 
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Hispance and white are not mutually exclusive and Hispanic speaking nations have the same color hierachy. That said, your use of mutual exclusion makes no sense to me.
No surprise there.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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That is mighty pompus of you to say because you are the favored group. You only have something to lose....which is to not be recognized for your greatness and superiority. You likely see these kids as "very perceptive". What da problem is
Uh... what?

I don't think whites are, by nature, greater or superior to anyone else. I think the whole idea that colour has anything to do with... well anything is completely ridiculous.

That whites have a superior position in society today is not something I deny, it's especially prevalent in the US, with the, frankly quite fresh, historical reasons.

That does not equate that I think it's right, nor that I think that it shouldn't be addressed, I'm simply stating that I don't see how instilling the same bad attitude in black kids will solve the problem.

So again: Why is colour pride so important? And how will a more prevalent black pride mentality eradicate racism?
 
Old 05-15-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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You are right. It's disgusting and truly sickening when whites say that blacks should just get over or forget slavery and other parts of Americas racist history.
The systematic indoctrination of inferiority as a byproduct of American slavery has got to be the biggest, most profound collective mindf*&ck in history. To think that entire fields of science and scholarship were specifically designed to maintain the justification of black inferiority and its attendant oppressive social policy is just downright appalling.

It is no surprise then that young blacks today would have internalized this indoctrination to such a degree that even they would be willing to kill one another over what amounts to frivolity. The video shows the relatively "benign" part of self-hate.
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