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Old 06-22-2010, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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Hi Stubblejumper,

I am telling you there is a significant risk, and for what? World peace? No, the cheapest strawberries possible.
Nobody's arguing that there's some nasty stuff used that shouldn't be and that use of anything ought to be cut to a bare minimum. My point was, when you make obviously misleading statements ("...up to 54 known carcinogens") you hurt your credibility far more than your target.



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METHYL IODIDE
Chronic Exposure:
Prolonged or repeated exposure to smaller doses cause primarily central nervous system effects. Symptoms may include slurred speech, blurred vision, Parkinsonian rigidity and memory defects. Has been shown to cause cancer in animals and may be linked to cancer in humans.
And there is no way in hell I'd support it even with no residue meaning some poor migrant worker puts his life on the line. It opens the door to use it elsewhere. If my only assurance was they would not fumigate on windy days? Are you kidding me?
If proper care is taken when spraying, it's not hard to avoid all contact with the chemicals used. It's supposed to be carefully regulated. Workers are supposed to be using skin protection and if necessary (in this case likely to be) respirators. We have, up here (I can't speak for where this is being used) a maximum wind speed for spraying, to prevent any drift.

It's a naturally occuring compound, as is supposed to break down quickly (I say supposed, because I don't know how fast it actually does break down and if massive use will cause any build up.) On the consumer end, so long as evaporation and break down occur before planting, there's little harm done. On the worker end, so long as proper safety procedures are used, little harm is done.


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Its not on the fruit. Its used to fumigate the fields before they put in the fruit.
My mistake. Knowing that, what is the half life of it in soil, compared to planting times?

The MSDS states that it should quickly evaporate from the fields, but it doesn't give an actual time.


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If we need to use highly toxic chemicals just to grow some fruit, I think something has not been thought out very well.
It's not being used just to grow some fruit. It's used to keep commercial farms from suffering crop failures. And, on a more positive note, it's only being introduced because of the banning of methyl bromide, which is worse.

It's only been introduced because we managed to ban another (more dangerous) chemical.
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Old 06-23-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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Nobody's arguing that there's some nasty stuff used that shouldn't be and that use of anything ought to be cut to a bare minimum. My point was, when you make obviously misleading statements ("...up to 54 known carcinogens") you hurt your credibility far more than your target.
The blogger said 54 carcinogens when he should have said 54 toxins. I did not make the statement, it was a "quote". I don't really vet what is said in every source on an internet forum especially as an aside to the actual topic . Your credibility is no better with a nurse ratchet bed side manner implying I am an idiot. Just make the correction.

What You Don’t Know About Strawberries Could Kill You « Cjaye57′s Weblog



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If proper care is taken when spraying, it's not hard to avoid all contact with the chemicals used. It's supposed to be carefully regulated. Workers are supposed to be using skin protection and if necessary (in this case likely to be) respirators. We have, up here (I can't speak for where this is being used) a maximum wind speed for spraying, to prevent any drift.
If is a supposition I don't believe since I see improper use of things all the time. Would you want to live within range assumed to be safe only on calm days? What happens when other vegatable near you follow this standard? If this is the only way, then we are doing something wrong. Many people who do live next to fields sprayed with pesticides do have ill effects.


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It's a naturally occuring compound, as is supposed to break down quickly (I say supposed, because I don't know how fast it actually does break down and if massive use will cause any build up.) On the consumer end, so long as evaporation and break down occur before planting, there's little harm done. On the worker end, so long as proper safety procedures are used, little harm is done.
They said Round up would break up quickly. It doesn't. The way we do things around here is to do it and beg forgiveness. Why not? In 5 years the corporate execs can have their big salaries and parachutes. After that, it doesn't matter to them.


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My mistake. Knowing that, what is the half life of it in soil, compared to planting times?

The MSDS states that it should quickly evaporate from the fields, but it doesn't give an actual time.



It's not being used just to grow some fruit. It's used to keep commercial farms from suffering crop failures. And, on a more positive note, it's only being introduced because of the banning of methyl bromide, which is worse.

It's only been introduced because we managed to ban another (more dangerous) chemical.
The reason why is because we did not know what the previous chemical was doing. Factories are great for cars and TV sets but factory farming does not work the same way. Strawberries are, as I say, the worst of everything. We are already crossing the line when we need people in hazmat suits on the farm. I think people ought to know not only that, but how easy it is for many people to grow their own. I have ever bearing alpine strawberries myself. Many cultivars can be used as ground covers. Big monocultures bring us to the point of going just short of nuking the grow site.
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Old 06-23-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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They said Round up would break up quickly. It doesn't. The way we do things around here is to do it and beg forgiveness. Why not? In 5 years the corporate execs can have their big salaries and parachutes. After that, it doesn't matter to them.
Yup - and that inevitable lack of accountability is really the problem. The individuals leave/get fired, and you can't throw a corporate charter in the pokey.
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Old 06-23-2010, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Do you really believe that crap? Given the gov't and all the checks? If you believe that, then how can you walk down the street?

Scare tactic, all it is. Anti ag.

hahah You are wrong but who cares.

Eat Up !
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Old 06-23-2010, 04:01 PM
 
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Grow a mass of strawberries from a single part of country and what do you get?


Fresh...
and far more so the field workers (http://www.panna.org/files/fieldsSum.dv.html - broken link)who grow them — to up to 54 known carcinogens, among other toxins. And things are about to get worse.
What You Don’t Know About Strawberries Could Kill You « Cjaye57′s Weblog

Scientists Claim Warnings About Strawberry Fumigant Ignored | FairWarning

I absolutly believe this even dr. oz has said that if your going to eat berries make sure they are organic. fruits like bananas oranges are ok cause of their thick skins but berries, are known to have to most pesticides, along with grapes.
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I absolutly believe this even dr. oz has said that if your going to eat berries make sure they are organic. fruits like bananas oranges are ok cause of their thick skins but berries, are known to have to most pesticides, along with grapes.

The pesticides are sprayed for the entire life of the plant and is absorbed so it is prevalent inside the fruit as well as on the skin. Bananas and oranges are among the fruits that are sprayed WAY more than others. Strawberries are among the top three. Celery and peaches being one and two.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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This is a good reference on what to avoid.

http://gawker.com/5553023/the-12-mos...and-vegetables

I try to buy local and/or organic when at all possible. I can and freeze my local produce for winter use. A good rule of thumb is that any tender plant such as lettuce or strawberries is going to require more 'chemical assistance' to get it to market across the continental U.S. Local produce growers don't have to be obsessed with appearance after long freight trips.

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Old 06-24-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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The pesticides are sprayed for the entire life of the plant and is absorbed so it is prevalent inside the fruit as well as on the skin. Bananas and oranges are among the fruits that are sprayed WAY more than others. Strawberries are among the top three. Celery and peaches being one and two.
Just keep in mind you don't eat banana and orange peels, I think it's largely a question of whether you eat the skin/the whole fruit. Now, smoking banana peels might be a different story.
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