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Old 06-28-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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This new tariff will place the real cost of wind on the developer....About time!!!
Wind Watch: FERC sticks it to Midwest ISO wind developers (http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2009/12/08/ferc-sticks-it-to-midwest-iso-wind-developers/ - broken link)
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Old 06-28-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Nort Seid
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This new tariff will place the real cost of wind on the developer....About time!!!
Wind Watch: FERC sticks it to Midwest ISO wind developers (http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2009/12/08/ferc-sticks-it-to-midwest-iso-wind-developers/ - broken link)
that story is from December of 2009...
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:22 PM
 
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...and essentially what this means is that the increased cost will be passed on to the consumer.
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Old 06-29-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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...and essentially what this means is that the increased cost will be passed on to the consumer.
And since most of the energy generated in SD is sold out of state it would spread those costs out to people that have no idea from where their energy is being generated.

Would this also affect small wind producers if it were determined that upgrades need to be made some time after their systems for residential net metering were installed? I wonder.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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that story is from December of 2009...
Is this current enough?
http://www.mmua.org/news/June%202%202010.pdf

[SIZE=2][SIZE=2][LEFT]The new tariff requires that
windpower developers in the
MISO region pay 90 percent of
the cost of transmission upgrades
for projects rated 345 kV and
higher. For projects rated lower
than 345 kW, generators are required[/LEFT]
to pay the entire cost.
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Old 06-29-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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And since most of the energy generated in SD is sold out of state it would spread those costs out to people that have no idea from where their energy is being generated.

Would this also affect small wind producers if it were determined that upgrades need to be made some time after their systems for residential net metering were installed? I wonder.
It appears so...But you are correct. Utilities that had no interest in or gained any value from wind projects were haveing to ask thier customers to pay for transmission line upgrade...The fact that developers will pass down the cost to thier customers on the East cost or whever will let those people that it is not as cheap a source as they were told....
http://www.mmua.org/news/June%202%202010.pdf
[For projects rated lower than 345 kW, generators are required
to pay the entire cost
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Seems the costs of anything always comes down to the consumer, there is no free lunch in this world. Pay me now or pay me later but you end up paying for the service of energy that is produced by a utility corporation whether gas, oil, coal, wind, or solar. Unless you get off the grid you are subject to charges for energy and transmission of it.
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Old 06-29-2010, 04:03 PM
 
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I second there is no free lunch - ever! So many people just think of the most immediate non-educated thought and think they've got it figured out - "how come 'they' just don't do this?There is always some sort of cost. Often several of different types.
I'm not anti wind per se but it is also bad for birds.
Wind farms go where the wind is. Many birds use wind to migrate. Bad for birds.
Organic farming? Can't feed the population we are at much less where we are headed.
Always some sort of cost. No matter the issue.
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Old 06-29-2010, 06:04 PM
 
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I agree about the birds and migration associated with the wind generating farms and their locations. At the same time, we also have to think about our food basket of the Gulf and the loss of all fish for the next ?? years if things ever improve with the oil disasters. We need to learn to live with our environment and avoid oil spells, chemical discharge into the water tables etc. Picking the right locations for any type of energy generating source is important for everyone.

The cost of energy is always going to be paid for one way or another.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Seems the costs of anything always comes down to the consumer, there is no free lunch in this world. Pay me now or pay me later but you end up paying for the service of energy that is produced by a utility corporation whether gas, oil, coal, wind, or solar. Unless you get off the grid you are subject to charges for energy and transmission of it.
You are correct, everyone has to pay at some point but the reason for the rule is to make the correct people pay. If you want to have a renewable energy source you should pay for it, all of it, installation,transmission,distribution all the way down the line.......
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