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I agree texdav....spiking them could cause serious injury to a faller, and it's very wrong....aremat1989..what we should be doing is growing hemp for paper.
Some people feel like they are being judged by people who are different from themselves; what's more is that many people are insecure. Some folks find people with messages to be smug and arrogant. Some more people like to bash and beat-down ideas that they don't agree with or don't understand (some are just bullies), sometimes they feel like it justifies their own position. Sometimes people are just jerks.
Some people feel like they are being judged by people who are different from themselves; what's more is that many people are insecure. Some folks find people with messages to be smug and arrogant. Some more people like to bash and beat-down ideas that they don't agree with or don't understand (some are just bullies), sometimes they feel like it justifies their own position. Sometimes people are just jerks.
And all of this applies to people on both sides of the issue, of course.
So the term "tree hugger" represents the extremist elements of the environmentalists,not the guy like me who is trying to live a more environmentally friendly life by recycling,using an economical car,using less energy to heat and cool his house,being an advocate of cleaner fuels like wind power and solar power etc.
Exactly! I'm not a tree hugger either, but I do what I can to make my life and the lives of those around me better by conservation and respect.
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And one for me, as I've never met any of them. I know they exist, but have never met one, encountered one, or know anyone in my wide array of enviromental contacts that knows one.
My cousin Gary has been arrested over 20 times for various shennagins for ELF, ALF, Peta, and some other environmental organization. From protesting, to throwing paint, to releasing lab animals, he's considered the black sheep of the family and calls us all murderers (I would venture to say 92% of my family hunts) and he thinks we are all barbaric since we don't all eat mung bean sprouts and tofu and worship Ingrid Newkirk. He's a bit off really.
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I'd be much more interested in seeing PETA/HSUS (the same thing, really, if you follow the money and the personnel and the agenda) providing actual funds and hands on, get dirty, non-sound-bite/non-publicity-generating work to help the animals, in this and in other disasters, rather than sounding off on their website (what the heck do you expect them to do on a website intended for generating donations?) or swooping in for the publicity and then leaving the local shelters/actual workers holding, and paying for, the bag.
PETA is exactly the kind of group that gives environmentalists and animal welfare workers (the ones working in the trenches for both) a bad name. The people that I know who actually work for the welfare of animals spit when they hear PETA's name, and they're beginning to do so when they hear HSUS's name (something about the latter's ads that ask you to donate to help the poor, sad-eyed dogs and cats in the shelters, when less than 1/2 of 1%, per their tax forms, goes to shelters to help those animals - ads with film of lobbyists would be much more honest, plus using actual rescued animals to raise millions when a local shelter is actually doing/paying for the rescue, not to mention the RICO suit against HSUS, leaves a bad taste in the mouth).
It's organizations like those, and the people who blindly follow them because their emotions are so easily manipulated and feeling is easier than thinking, that are the answer to the OP's question. Whether it be trees or animals.
The "ban" is a moratorium not a permanent ban. A temporary halt to take stock of the whale populations before resuming whaling. The IWC was set up to ensure sustainable commercial whaling; the Soviets making false reports and not obeying the regulations they claimed to be threw everything off.
Your opinion is not law. You have no right to force your views and culture on another nation and to destroy their culture. What the Japanese, Norwegians and Icelanders, as well as many other peoples, are doing is perfectly legal. And if you want to change their minds about what they're doing you don't accomplish it with eco-terrorism; sea shepherd has increased support for whaling in Japan. Minke whales are quite abundant, BTW.
The Farley Mowat (sea shepherd vessel) was seized by Canada because it violated the law and nearly killed some seal hunters by getting too close to the ice they were standing on (and in their heavy clothing, they likely would have drowned):
Video evidence also contradicts what watson said about the ady gil, and, on top of that, it's legal to simply kill "pirates" or terrorists on the open seas like them, the Japanese have shown restraint. Bethune pleaded guilty to all but one charge against him, and was convicted on all charges.
Trying to destroy a prop (prop fouler) in the antarctic is akin to attempted murder, in those dangerous seas, as well.
Your posts are precisely what people are referring to here about extremists. Condoning these sorts of terrorists.
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I don't want to keep arguing with you, we can agree to dsiagree but I still support Sea Shepard and it's beyond me how anyone can go club a seal to death or harpoon such an intelligent and magnificent mammal such as a whale . If your okay with that then thats your opinion.
For example: School wants to cut down 150yo tree to put in a new building and offers in exchange to permanently set aside dozens of acres of land adjoining a forest reserve.
Nope, a bunch of college tree huggers won't take that deal...one that matters a lot when you start reflecting on habitat fragmentation and instead move into the tree for 2 years.
This right here is why so many people downplay and ignore college kids.
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I cannot stand people who are against green living. The ones who hate tree huggers are the same who support big-box chains, McMansions, and car-centric lifestyle. Those are terrible for the environment. We should strive to be independent, accepting, and liberal in our thinking. Why would you want to destroy nature, and ruin our quality of life?
You can back off with assinine thought process. Not everyone who hates tree hugging eco terrorists are into the total opposite. There are more colors than just black or white.
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we're 300M people and growing. you really think spreading across the land is the solution for our country going forward?
Why not? If people were spread out, they could be more self-sustaining, thus reducing the need for as much fuel use to have their basic needs met.
Honestly, I feel sorry for the people living in big cities like NYC. They are pretty screwed if SHTF. At least people in rural areas can feed themselves.
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