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Old 02-20-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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Hopefully 40.

The sooner it runs out the sooner we can make some real progress and change in America.
the Portland rail costs taxpayers $20 per person per trip over what the fare they pay is. Its the model for all new train systems.

That makes sense.
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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the Portland rail costs taxpayers $20 per person per trip over what the fare they pay is. Its the model for all new train systems.

That makes sense.
Well the offset to that is the Developments that have come to Portland....which have generated millions in New Revenue for the city....
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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thats a ridiculous point since it is a great source of cheap energy.
Yes, BUT oil is not a renewable resource it is...........finite!
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:06 PM
 
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Well the offset to that is the Developments that have come to Portland....which have generated millions in New Revenue for the city....
The rail gets the credit, exactly why? If it was the rail and not other factors, why no development now? The rail is still there.
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The rail gets the credit, exactly why? If it was the rail and not other factors, why no development now? The rail is still there.
There are a few Developments going up now , the Recession slowed just about every project in every city. I think there are 12 Developments going up in Portland and another 20 along the MAX lines outside of Portland....
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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I think the tycoons of the 40's or 50's or so bought up all the trains and closed them so they could sell buses (even though the same company made the buses as made the trains).

Seriously folk, the train is like the magnetic tape answering machine. Its linear. Goes one direction, no side trips. We don't live like that any more and we aren't going back. The trains employ the most wasteful, antiquated technology of the past and bring nothing to the table to change the climate under which they were abandoned 50 years ago. Sure those 200,000 lb locomotives have a lot of testosterone appeal, but they are just done, over, fini. Get it?
What you avoid saying is that rail alone is how America was settled. Rail also was a main method of travel until about the 1960's since passenger trails were still in greater numbers.

Rail is also not wasteful since rail can move a ton of people ,or product, 436 miles on one gallon of diesel fuel.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/can_a_freight_train_really_move_a.html (broken link)

Then there is the trillion dollar hidden cost of roads. The public pays for all road and bridge construction whereas the Railroad companies must pay for all their right of way,track, and bridges as part of their operating cost.

Trucks and all other vehicles get a "taxpayer" paid for ride on public highways and interstates.
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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There are a few Developments going up now , the Recession slowed just about every project in every city. I think there are 12 Developments going up in Portland and another 20 along the MAX lines outside of Portland....
Exactly. There was a tremendous boom in Portland that created all of the growth. The rail location merely choose the winning and losing neighborhoods. Same story everywhere that rail has been credited fro development.

Clear thinking people know that people did not move to Portland and spend millions on development so they could ride a train. They moved there because Portland had a few superstar industries, and was a haven for Californians trying to avoid what is now bogging down Portland .
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:10 PM
 
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Yes, BUT oil is not a renewable resource it is...........finite!
why does that matter exactly? just use it until you run out of it. your life is finite, does that mean you should just sit on your butt doing nothing until you kick the bucket? no, you want to get the most out of the time you are here. we should use the petroleum. we should also do other things like build nuclear power plants but i dont know if we want to get off on this tangent.
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Old 02-20-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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why does that matter exactly? just use it until you run out of it. your life is finite, does that mean you should just sit on your butt doing nothing until you kick the bucket? no, you want to get the most out of the time you are here. we should use the petroleum. we should also do other things like build nuclear power plants but i dont know if we want to get off on this tangent.
Now you're just being ridiculous.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:43 PM
 
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WTF does this have to do with light rail?

Might as well talk about UFO's stealing our water

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The conspiracy against bicycle riders in Somalia
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