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Old 03-03-2011, 10:00 AM
 
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Anyone have any experience with Biomass (burning wood, landfill material and sewage palnt sludge) energy. Specifically, does it create dirty air?
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Nothing objectionable about the post, but it is in the wrong forum, as it is not related to retirement.
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Old 03-03-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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True, not too 'retirement' related, but since I'm an alternative energy buff...(and Biomass may help keep me 'retired')

I think biomass can be a great source of energy in appropriate areas. It will one of many beneficial solutions in the future. It can be made very clean, but depends on the feedstock. Many items can be ran through these energy plants, and many (most) foriegn countries are well ahead of US on this technology. New boiler designs are quite efficient, and I personally would rather see some forest thinning in most areas rather than forest fires (which no doubt pollute much worst than Biomass). That said... it is 'burning' and thus is bound to be pretty evil, I consider it hands down better than coal or fossil fuels, if in fact they are burning refuse that would have been hard to get rid of another way. I thought it was interesting while living in Singapore that they didn't recycle at all, as they were interested in burning more trash to make more ash to make a bigger island! Not sure I would embrace that idea.
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Old 03-04-2011, 05:52 AM
 
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Not so quick Escortrider. If one is thinking about retiring to an area where a Biomass burning energy plant is being considered/debated, and one has some concerns about how the presence of such a plant might affect air quality, then it is acceptable to seek information from any source. Including a source where one has gained insight previously. So, my bad, if you insist, for not being clear, that this is a retirement related question.
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Nothing objectionable about the post, but it is in the wrong forum, as it is not related to retirement.

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Old 03-04-2011, 05:57 AM
 
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Thanks Stealth. As iIindicated to escort, it is retirement related in the sense that I have some concerns about the impact on air quality of a proposed Biomass plant in an area we are considering for retirement. So, as it relates to quality of life in retirement, it is germane. Failed in linking context of retirement.
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True, not too 'retirement' related, but since I'm an alternative energy buff...(and Biomass may help keep me 'retired')

I think biomass can be a great source of energy in appropriate areas. It will one of many beneficial solutions in the future. It can be made very clean, but depends on the feedstock. Many items can be ran through these energy plants, and many (most) foriegn countries are well ahead of US on this technology. New boiler designs are quite efficient, and I personally would rather see some forest thinning in most areas rather than forest fires (which no doubt pollute much worst than Biomass). That said... it is 'burning' and thus is bound to be pretty evil, I consider it hands down better than coal or fossil fuels, if in fact they are burning refuse that would have been hard to get rid of another way. I thought it was interesting while living in Singapore that they didn't recycle at all, as they were interested in burning more trash to make more ash to make a bigger island! Not sure I would embrace that idea.

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Old 03-04-2011, 06:29 AM
 
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Thanks Stealth. As iIindicated to escort, it is retirement related in the sense that I have some concerns about the impact on air quality of a proposed Biomass plant in an area we are considering for retirement. So, as it relates to quality of life in retirement, it is germane. Failed in linking context of retirement.
Theoretically then, one could discuss pretty much any subject by tangentially linking it to "retirement." Bear in mind that I'm not criticizing you, I'm just taking your logic to its extreme. As an absurd example, I could start a thread to discuss the following:

I enjoy attending pro sports events so I'm looking to retire to an area with good sports teams. I'm thinking of retiring to Miami and was wondering if anyone thinks that the Miami Dolphins are going to be an improved team next year and in the future? Additionally, will the Heat be able to come together as a team rather than a bunch of individual star players and be able to challenge the Lakers for NBA supremacy?

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Old 03-04-2011, 08:52 AM
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Location: Cody, WY
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This was an excellent topic for the oldsters' subforum. But that subforum is unfortunately dominated by people who are a bunch of unproductive people, many of whom are former government employees. All they want is to sit in their favorite casino or take cruises with others like them. They despise work; they despise people who are productive. So here we are on Green Living; we should be on Self Sufficiency and Preparedness (Survival ).

Yes, burning biomass does dirty the air a bit. But it can also be a very cheap method of providing heat. If someone wishes to remove smoke or simply have a hotter fire, there's a way to do it: make charcoal. Charcoal is made in an oxygen starved fire. It's useful for making steel and a component of black powder. There is often a good bit of smoke in the process, but not in the final use. Many people make their own charcoal for a variety of uses; it's common in the traditional smithy.

I found a veritable plethora of websites on charcoal making. Therefore, I'll provide links to my dogpile metasearch and to the wikipedia listing. Check out some of the others.

Charcoal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

'making charcoal' - Dogpile Web Search

Note to any mods who believe that this is not green living: it's not; please move the thread to Self Sufficiency and Preparedness. Thanks.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Anyone have any experience with Biomass (burning wood, landfill material and sewage palnt sludge) energy. Specifically, does it create dirty air?
We have a proposed plant near here and lots of controversy and misinformation. Will try to find out more.

More than that I would be far, far more concerned about moving to a state with fracking (hydraulic fracturing for natural gas). It is a really serious concern with dangers aplenty in NY state and PA and other states. Google it to see what it's about. The Oscar nominated documentary is called "Gasland." You do not want to move to those areas, without a doubt.
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Old 03-10-2011, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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The big issue with biomass plants is keeping them cost effective. In my area we have LOTS of dead and diseased trees that need to be thinned and would make an excellent fuel source. Unfortunately, harvesting and cleanup costs are large. Transportation costs to the power plant often is even worse, especially with diesel approaching $4.00 a gallon. We have some of the local schools using biomass as a fuel source for the heating system.
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Old 03-10-2011, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Anyone have any experience with Biomass (burning wood, landfill material and sewage palnt sludge) energy. Specifically, does it create dirty air?
I am Generation Project Manager for a Public Power Utility in the upper midwest. I am currently installing a spark fired engine on a landfill in central Minnesota. We also run several small units on sewage plant digesters. Also have some small experiance on biomass plants. Facilities of this size are permited by the State and or the Feds. The do not create "dirty" air quite the opposite in most cases the are cleaner burning than many OLD coal plants....
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