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Old 04-13-2011, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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Oh, great, just what we need is a couple of hundred million 400 pound dead batteries loaded with bad metals and the Chinese controlling the raw materials for the new ones. Morons.
...or there's this amazing new technology called "recycling" where you pull used-up stuff apart and reuse the pieces.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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So all the electric cars plug in and need energy from coal power plants?and we have enough of a problem with not having enough energy and ive read where theyre shutting down some coal plants.So tell me what is the upside of electric cars?
Even at that their is the battery problems and then the fact that its not a affordable vehicle for the masses. Look at the number of Volts even sheduled to be produced at 40K.
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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If you recharge the electric car at night, it requires no new capacity on the electrical side for years.

Even recharged using coal, an electric car + coal-based energy is cleaner than a gasoline engine car.

More wind energy is produced at night than in the day so the recharge profile for electric vehicles fits well with renewable electricity

Electric cars + coal-based energy solve big city smog and local air pollution problems.

Gasoline fueled cars result in billions going to unstable Middle East countries, which then use the money to fund terrorism.

Yeah I can see how there aren't enough benefits to plug in hybrid cars to interest anyone.
While you are correct in that the wind does blow more at night It is a two edged sword. Typical loads are down at night and system operators have to call minimum generation alerts that require wind towers be shut down first..............We do it all the time....
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:02 PM
 
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With a real-world driving range of 50 - 70 miles these electric toys are only viable for large city driving.

And even then if you have the AC and CD playing while you sit in a large city traffic jam the range is decreased even more..

Could someone please point out to me what happens when you are driving one of these electric toys and the batteries get depleted?

~ Call a tow truck?

~ Push the car to the nearest hotel that has charging stations and book a room for the night?

~ Push the car to the nearest car rental place that has charging stations, leave your car to get charged and rent a car?

~ Push it to the nearest car dealer and trade it in for a real car?
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: DC
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With a real-world driving range of 50 - 70 miles these electric toys are only viable for large city driving.

And even then if you have the AC and CD playing while you sit in a large city traffic jam the range is decreased even more..

Could someone please point out to me what happens when you are driving one of these electric toys and the batteries get depleted?

~ Call a tow truck?

~ Push the car to the nearest hotel that has charging stations and book a room for the night?

~ Push the car to the nearest car rental place that has charging stations, leave your car to get charged and rent a car?

~ Push it to the nearest car dealer and trade it in for a real car?
Most "electric cars" are plug-in hybrids. When the battery is drained, the internal combustion engine starts and you drive as far as you want. A substantial part of US driving is for trips of less than 50 miles per day. A plug in hybrid will complete most of these using no gasoline at all.

BTW what do you do with your gasoline powered car when it runs out of fuel?
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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BTW what do you do with your gasoline powered car when it runs out of fuel?
Or when gas hits $15/gallon?
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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<blah blah> Most "electric cars" are plug-in hybrids. <blah blah> BTW what do you do with your gasoline powered car when it runs out of fuel?
I go to the nearest gasoline station spend 3 bucks on an empty can, put one gallon of gas in it go back to my car.

BTWBTW - the OP stated electric cars, NOT hybrid electric cars Go back and read it again....

If the OP had said hybrid electric I would not have posted what I did.

You talk as though hybrid electric cars are something new ~DUH~

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Old 04-14-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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Most "electric cars" are plug-in hybrids. When the battery is drained, the internal combustion engine starts and you drive as far as you want.
Can't be very efficient pulling around all that extra weight.


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BTW what do you do with your gasoline powered car when it runs out of fuel?
The rare moments it has I've been able to get gasoline... I once even coasted into gas station which just happened to be on side of road at the bottom of a hill. The point of course with the electric cars is you have very little storage capacity, 2 or 3 gallons of gas is going to last longer than electric car. Even if you had charging station available you're still stuck because it takes so long to charge.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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The Volt and the Prius PHE will both have gasoline engines that will be used when the battery is discharged.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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The Volt and the Prius PHE will both have gasoline engines that will be used when the battery is discharged.
Again, you bring up things about hybrids that are common knowledge, if you are trying to impress people please do it a different way....

If you wanna bring up hybrids, lets open a new thread and talk about:

~ stale gas

~ getting into an accident in a Prius and being exposed to the contents of it's metal hydride batteries

~ extremely limited number of dealerships that can service hybrids

~ If one takes into account the manufacturing of the vehicle the hybrid has a larger carbon footprint then that of a petrol powered car

And if the there is a battery short like what happened to this car?



But I thought a hybrid would save more gas money!

Anyone can see that 46mpg could save more gas than a 29mpg car. But how much more? A quick glance may show a 59% savings by choosing the Prius (46-29)/29=59%. However its easy to be deceived. The savings is really 35%! (34-22)/34 Does that still sound like a lot of savings?

The Prius averages 46 mpg and consumes about 22 gallons per 1,000 miles.
12,500 miles x 3 years x 22 gallons per 1000 miles = 825 gallons
825 gallons x $4 gallon gas = $3,300

The Civic averages 29 mpg and consumes about 34 gallons per 1,000 miles.
12,500 miles x 3 years x 34 gallons per 1000 miles = 1275 gallons
1,275 gallons x $4 gallon gas = $5,100

$5,100 - $3,300 = $1800 in gas money savings from the hybrid after three years on $4/gallon gasoline.

The Prius costs $5,633 more than the Civic. After three years, the Prius has yet to pay for itself even on $4/gallon gasoline.

It is still owes $3,833 to the Civic.


http://www.efficient-mileage.com/prius-hybrid.html

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