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Old 06-29-2011, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Cute Little Town in PA
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A week's worth of laundry is a lot for one person to do even with electric appliances, IMO; it can pile up quick, especially with a family.

My husband and I enjoy doing laundry. Living, to us, is a pleasure, not a chore.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Good for you.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default More on the issue of washing clothes in dirty water

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Unless the water is really dirty, no. Detergents hold dirt away from the clothes; anti-surfactants I believe it is called.
And how do you know at what point the dirt already "held away from the clothes" has used up the ability of the detergent to do that? The whole point of washing clothes is to get them clean. It is just so silly to wash a second load in dirty water if you don't have to. The amount of water saved is negligible anyway.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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A week's worth of laundry is a lot for one person to do even with electric appliances, IMO; it can pile up quick, especially with a family.
My husband and I enjoy doing laundry. Living, to us, is a pleasure, not a chore.
So you equate "living" with such things as doing laundry? I enjoy my life tremendously, but that doesn't mean I enjoy everything I do. Some things need to be done whether you enjoy them or not, and those things are called chores. The whole idea of regressing 50 or 60 years by using wringer washing machines is an absurdity. The amount of water and electricity saved is so small as to be laughable. I just shake my head in wonderment that there can be such a thing as this thread.
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Old 06-29-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Interior AK
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I use a pre-soak bucket, a glass washboard for tough stains, a Wonder Washer (pressure keg deal), double rinse tubs, and a hand wringer to do the majority of our laundry. It's only the two of us, and things are dirty when we wash them, but it only takes me about 2 hours a week to wash, rinse, wring and hang our laundry by hand. Towels, jeans and blankets can be a bear at times, but the only thing I do at the laundromat is the heavy blankets. You can only do one or two pairs of jeans or one or two bath towels in the Wonder Washer -- so there is a dedicated load for each. Really, unless you're going through an exorbitant amount of clothing or have an extremely large family, it doesn't take long to wash 7 pairs of undergarments and socks, and a couple shirts/pants per family member... even in a tiny 2 gallon keg washer I'm looking to upgrade to a James Washer so I can do towels and jeans more easily, and do the blankets at home. Then maybe an electric wringer-washer at some point.

The wringer isn't any harder on your clothes. In some cases, it's gentler... squishing is so much better for fabric fibers than twisting. The big problem is that most folks use the wringer incorrectly and don't take care to arrange the clothes to protect their buttons/snaps/zippers. It's fairly difficult to catch your fingers in a hand wringer that you're operating yourself... but if hubby is helping me, I might get a fingertip nipped because he's overzealous, so I use a ruler to feed the clothes instead. When using an electric wringer, I'd probably use the ruler, although the wringer-washer has a big safety release on the wringer just in case you get nipped.

I downgrade the water after usage if it's too mucky... wash to pre-soak, rinse 1 to wash, etc. All total, when the laundry is REALLY dirty, I might use 30 gallons of water for 5-6 loads. This is major since we haul our water from the public well or use collected rain water. Even if we had our own well, we'd use fuel of some sort to run the pump (or pump by hand), and we're off-grid so power is $$ in fuel of some sort as well. We just don't have the power to "waste" on a chore that doesn't really require too much extra time or effort to do by hand.

Luckily, we have no greywater regs up here, so our "fresh" wash water goes in the garden... greywater is only really questionable if it's got toxins in it or has sat around breeding germs for a few days. I don't use the water in the garden if I used bleach or borax in my wash... those aren't good for plants. I also use a soil compatible soap, not a marine compatible soap... there's a difference, "bio-degradable" and "environmentally safe" are not created equal in that regard. Wash water that is contaminated by bleach, borax, fuel or other non-soil-compatible household chemicals gets poured out on the driveway to keep the weeds down. Any seriously mucky wash water than may have questionably high levels of bio/organic "waste" in it goes on the compost pile.

Last edited by MissingAll4Seasons; 06-29-2011 at 02:12 PM.. Reason: typo == 30 gallons not 50 gallons
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:04 PM
 
Location: central Indiana
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So you equate "living" with such things as doing laundry? I enjoy my life tremendously, but that doesn't mean I enjoy everything I do. Some things need to be done whether you enjoy them or not, and those things are called chores. The whole idea of regressing 50 or 60 years by using wringer washing machines is an absurdity. The amount of water and electricity saved is so small as to be laughable. I just shake my head in wonderment that there can be such a thing as this thread.
I would rather use the wringer washer and hang my clothes to dry than spend an hour every other day at the gym on the stair-master and bow-flex machines.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Cute Little Town in PA
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It doesn't us take long to do our laundry. I have lots of time to other things as well. And yes, I'm still living even while doing laundry
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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We don't wear jeans or bulky fabrics so I can't imagine a wringer, properly constructed and maintained, would be a problem for anyone able-bodied enough to split a few logs here and there? I can't imagine pulling sodden cotton quilts through a wringer, tho, no wonder they were hated.
Yes, jeans, towels and heavy blankets/quilts through the wringer can be quite the work out. You either have to pass them through a couple of times with looser rollers to get most of the water out, or you really got to put some stank on the crank With blankets and quilts, I find it's more an issue of how heavy they get when saturated and how cumbersome they can be to lug around wet if they're larger than a lap throw. I underestimated the stoutness of the trees I had my line between when I hung out our queen-sized comforter to dry... poor babies bent nearly to the ground
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Old 06-29-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default With regard to MissingAll4Seasons

If you're off-grid the discussion shifts to another gear entirely. I do not think using a wringer machine is absurd for people who are off-grid; on the contrary it makes a lot of sense. Their choices are limited, after all. I was writing my posts with the assumption that we all have electricity in our homes, in which case washing clothes uses such a small percentage of the total electricity used.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Rider - I can see how many would think "well of course, if she's without electricity, then doing laundry by hand makes sense"; but I'll posit the opposite question... does it make sense to use an electric machine to do your laundry simply because it's available?

All those little things that "don't hardly matter" sure can add up in the end... the clothes washer, the dryer, the dishwasher, the vacuum. Do they really offer that great an advantage to manual methods?

Not an argument, just something to think about. We're all free to choose how we spend our time and how our chores get done... but really thinking about some of the thoughtless decisions we make everyday sometimes yields some profound surprises
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