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Old 09-10-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: DC
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The old I have a friend defense. Sweet.
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Old 09-10-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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The old I have a friend defense. Sweet.

Well I COULD have said "Former Roommates" as I lived there for 6 months... but it didn't seem necessary.

So how about:

I USED to and WILL again live like that!
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Old 09-10-2011, 03:56 PM
 
Location: DC
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My cousin's mother in law lives in a condo and doesn't even run her heat or ac. The building just keeps her place Perfect. (that's easy, doesn't even have to be true)
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Old 09-10-2011, 04:57 PM
 
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My cousin's mother in law lives in a condo and doesn't even run her heat or ac. The building just keeps her place Perfect. (that's easy, doesn't even have to be true)

If you are going to call me a liar, at least be man enough to say it.


Otherwise... was there a point here?
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Old 09-10-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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Now babies, can you take your squabble elsewhere?
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Old 09-10-2011, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Clovis Strong, NM
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I've known of squabbles between commuter cyclists and motorists, but this thread has sure brought out an intense hatred between the two camps.

Certainly not the type of people I want stuck behind my semi in a traffic jam, let alone when pedaling to and from the yard on personal business.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Mt. Airy
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Anyway, my question is, how come so many people have cars if so many people that have cars don't really need them and can live a perfectly happy life without them?
After an interesting, but not so surprising set of responses to your post, I think it's the following (in no particular order):

> People have grown up using cars. They are used to them, comfortable with them, and choose them over other methods of transport.

> People live in an area that has little-to-no public transit. Most of America is made-up of this type of development. Sad IMO. I'm not even sure how transit could be run to some development, because many places are so low density and unplanned (in terms of PT feasibility).

> People have certain factors (e.g. large families, health issues, etc.) that they use as a reason to not do so, and they have already made the decision to continue driving. With a few exceptions, everyone could cut down on the amount they drive; very few people decide to do so (or spend the time to figure out how to do so).

> People don't see the true value in walking most places, thus they dismiss it as being a silly waste of their time. I would like to point out that this does not mean that you have to live in NYC, so the argument of living in a hectic, dense place is kind of irrelevant. Many towns, villages, small cities, etc. have walkable aspects to them.

> People think that if they have to drive to work, they might as well drive everywhere else. It's the black and white argument. People rarely try to trim the fat off the volume of their vehicle usage as a goal for their health, finances (unless forced to do so) or principle.

> People don't believe there is a threat of affording a car or being able to drive in the future.

> Driving a car is a maintream mentality, and there is a strong national mindset that it's the way to get around. Having a nice car is sometimes even a social status symbol.

There are other reasons, but I think a mix of the reasons above are why people choose to continue to drive; or live in a place where they have to drive. Let me be clear, this is not a judgement.

On the other hand, whenever a question is asked (like the one in this thread), my impression is that people get very defensive. Although the OP alluded to why he/she felt walking more places was a benefit over driving, I just don't see the assault on drivers that must be evident in some peoples' eyes, based on the posts I read.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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And walking more, instead of driving anywhere more than a few feet away, may be healthier. I understand that in Europe it is very common to walk to destinations three miles away. High gas prices aside, it is considered a recreational activity.
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:11 PM
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And walking more, instead of driving anywhere more than a few feet away, may be healthier. I understand that in Europe it is very common to walk to destinations three miles away. High gas prices aside, it is considered a recreational activity.
It depends on where you are. I live in the Atlanta area, and there is a reason Atlanta is called Hotlanta. Walking three miles in Atlanta during summer is a nightmare. I would do better living in Amsterdam or London than I would the Atlanta area.
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Old 09-16-2011, 08:56 PM
 
Location: oklahoma
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I hate driving a car. But I hate riding a bike in 108 degree or 15 degree weather even more.

I've tried to go 100% carfree several times in my life. It's liberating in some respects, but very inconvenient in others. It also doesn't help that I've tried to do so in Kansas and Kentucky, in areas with a very car-centric culture, sprawling towns and terrible or completely no public transit.

If I could afford to live in a decent sized city in a somewhat central location, I could do very well without a car. But until that glorious day, I'll stick with my very used Honda so I'm not stranded at home all the time or spending half my day just getting to where I have to go.

I do admire the people who really live their values though, and put up with 108 degree weather and a 30 miles a day commute on bike just to be sustainable. I don't think I have it in me...at least not until my kid is a little older.
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