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Old 09-03-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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E85 is around 115 octane so it is used a lot in race cars.. Its a LOT cheaper then race gas.. I have a good friend who converted his 2011 GT Mustang to run on E85 (its blown) and it lows low 10's in the quarter mile. That's the best reason for E85
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: DC
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We can't make E85 work using corn based ethanol, but cellulosic ethanol has potential. The ultimate goal is algae-based biofuel. That scales where E85 from corn does not.
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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We can't make E85 work using corn based ethanol, but cellulosic ethanol has potential. The ultimate goal is algae-based biofuel. That scales where E85 from corn does not.
Why is that?

Are you talking mechanical/technical, or supply & demand, etc.?
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: DC
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Why is that?

Are you talking mechanical/technical, or supply & demand, etc.?
Arable land.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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Arable land.
Ehhhhh... Not sure I can completely agree with that.

It's true that there's not enough corn produced in America to run all vehicles on corn-based E85. But that's not going to happen anyway.

One thing we do need is more sources of ethanol. Switchgrass is one, sugar cane another, and what about sugar beets? The technology is there, but it's going to take awhile for infrastructure to catch up.
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Old 09-04-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: DC
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Ehhhhh... Not sure I can completely agree with that.

It's true that there's not enough corn produced in America to run all vehicles on corn-based E85. But that's not going to happen anyway.

One thing we do need is more sources of ethanol. Switchgrass is one, sugar cane another, and what about sugar beets? The technology is there, but it's going to take awhile for infrastructure to catch up.
My point was there is not enough land/irrigation water to convert the country to E85 based upon corn. There is more than enough land/water to convert the country to algae-based biofuels when we get the right strain of algae. IMO ethanol is a very good octane enhancer and has some decent environmental benefits, but regardless of source, in the United States at least, it's an interim step.

Sugar beets and sugar cane are too water intensive to scale in the United States. We have no surplus of these crops to devote to fuel.
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Ehhhhh... Not sure I can completely agree with that.

It's true that there's not enough corn produced in America to run all vehicles on corn-based E85. But that's not going to happen anyway.

One thing we do need is more sources of ethanol. Switchgrass is one, sugar cane another, and what about sugar beets? The technology is there, but it's going to take awhile for infrastructure to catch up.
I said it before...Normalize realtions with Cuba and turn it into one big. ethonal factory
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Old 09-04-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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I said it before...Normalize realtions with Cuba and turn it into one big. ethonal factory
Why "normalize relations"? Let's just go in and take it over!
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Old 09-04-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: DC
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Why "normalize relations"? Let's just go in and take it over!
Lat time we tried that, it went badly.
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Old 09-23-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Whereever we have our RV parked
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Look at currect food prices, and the coresponding prices on meat, etc. Using food for fuel. Not a smart Idea. And as others have noted, it takes more fuel to produce than than is produced. Pure give away to the boost farm prices to benefit farmers and the ag industry.
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