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Old 10-03-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: DC
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There you go stereotyping

The whole idea should be about being independent of the grid...and doing it right
Again, why would one want to be off the grid. It's substantially more expensive.
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Where the sun likes to shine!!
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Again, why would one want to be off the grid. It's substantially more expensive.
Stereotyping again.

"Why would one want to be off the grid"
So they don't have to put up with govt BS and be more self sufficient. Ah...what a novel idea.


"It is substantially more expensive"
Not in all cases. Where do you get your info


Either way that is not what this thread is about. I am all for solar just not the way it is being promoted and the money being wasted on it. We need simpler ways for people to use solar and to understand it not build houses that are more than the medium home price and also which no one would want to live in. That is not progress. That is stupidity....again JMO.
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Old 10-03-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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I'm all for promoting RE/Solar solutions and the Decathlon houses aren't always as impressive or cost-efficient as they could (should?) be... but at least it's getting people to think about the problem, show that there are solutions in a "real" way since a lot of people can't envision concepts on paper and need to see and feel things built. Some of the student teams over the years have been excellent and have pushed the industry to develop some more efficient or usable products, and some of the students didn't even use their entire budget and constructed some really excellent little Zero Energy homes.

Being grid-tied, while still being (approaching) Zero Energy, simply allows the home owner to use the grid as their battery bank and have some extra power available if/when they may need it (like insurance). Depending on your situation, it may be more or less expensive to be grid-tied over having your own storage. In our case, grid & grid-tie is exponentially more expensive than even the best batteries unless we needed over 100kw! But for someone already hooked up to the grid, it may be less expensive if the connection fees, permits, controller and conditioner add up less than the cost of batteries or they can't afford their whole power needs.

But, in any case, unless it's promoted and people are exposed to the tech they won't use it. And if there aren't enough people using and interested in a tech then the advances are slow, the availability is low, and costs are high. You need to reach a sort of critical mass in the market before the process and demand becomes efficient enough to drop prices, increase availability, and spur rapid advances. This isn't a Solar/RE phenomenon... ALL technology follows this pattern. Those of us old enough to remember when microwaves, cable TV, CD, VHS/Beta/DVD, PCs and mobile phones came out can attest to this
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Old 10-03-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: DC
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Stereotyping again.

"Why would one want to be off the grid"
So they don't have to put up with govt BS and be more self sufficient. Ah...what a novel idea.


"It is substantially more expensive"
Not in all cases. Where do you get your info


Either way that is not what this thread is about. I am all for solar just not the way it is being promoted and the money being wasted on it. We need simpler ways for people to use solar and to understand it not build houses that are more than the medium home price and also which no one would want to live in. That is not progress. That is stupidity....again JMO.
Where do I get my info? From the bill from my electric company.
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Old 10-08-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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I wish I could afford solar power and I would certainly use it over traditional anyday. It's just so pricey. Can't afford it.
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Everywhere.
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It really does make energy use a lot more efficient.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Tucson AZ & Leipzig, Germany
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I passed by this residential solar panel array in Corona del Mar, CA, which is one of the most affluent coastal communities here in Orange County. This hillside installation is one of the largest and most elaborately engineered solar panel jobs that I have ever seen at a house. Not visible are the concrete piers poured into the steep hillside to keep that whole set up from sliding down to the street below. It's obvious from the neighborhood that money was no object in this project, but it would be interesting to know what the payback period will be, or if it ever breaks even. Consider that the location is one of the mildest climate zones in the world, where heat or air conditioning are rarely needed. I could not figure out how that big house on the hill could burn up so much power, or if they are selling back surplus power from the hillside solar power panels to offset the giant mortgage.

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Old 11-14-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Bend Or.
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I passed by this residential solar panel array in Corona del Mar, CA, which is one of the most affluent coastal communities here in Orange County. This hillside installation is one of the largest and most elaborately engineered solar panel jobs that I have ever seen at a house. Not visible are the concrete piers poured into the steep hillside to keep that whole set up from sliding down to the street below. It's obvious from the neighborhood that money was no object in this project, but it would be interesting to know what the payback period will be, or if it ever breaks even. Consider that the location is one of the mildest climate zones in the world, where heat or air conditioning are rarely needed. I could not figure out how that big house on the hill could burn up so much power, or if they are selling back surplus power from the hillside solar power panels to offset the giant mortgage.
Very often people that can afford it put in huge arrays without any thought of conservation. Although they may not have a heating and cooling load thier lighting and entertainment load could be ridiculous!
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