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Old 10-28-2011, 11:51 PM
 
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And they're even ahead of schedule!

Germany: A cleantech case study for a post-Fukushima world | MNN - Mother Nature Network
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Old 10-29-2011, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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An extremely biased source which scoffs at valid points made against the author's beliefs.
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:12 AM
 
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The question is not whether it can be done but at what cost, the most important sentence in that article:

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Since I first started tracking Germany’s green energy revolution circa 2004 — four years into the extraordinary run of its revolutionary feed-in tariff, which recalibrated the price of electricity to favor renewables over fossils and fissiles — I’ve been hearing scoffing.
Translation: They increased the cost of electricity.

The "feed in tariff" sets a high rate the renewable energy can be sold for, I believe in Germany it's in the high 30 cent/kWh range. On a somewhat humorous side note there was some producers in Spain that got caught supplementing their solar installations with diesel generators which isn't exactly cheap either, just cheaper than solar. The feed in rate is wholesale and prior to distribution and other costs.

The article mentions they are only at 17%, as the percentage of renewables increases so will the retail rates of the electricity. I believe it's in the low 30's for average German household, that's three times what the average US household pays now and as the renewable energy increases so will the retail rate.

Having said that countries like Germany, China and especially Spain really have no choice about developing alternatives. Their coal supply will be exhausted over the next few decades and in the case of Spain they have none to begin with. There is only two nations on this earth with vast supplies relative to their consumption, the US and Russia. The Chinese for example by my estimates using BP figures will run out in about 20 years at the current rate of consumption.
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Old 10-29-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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And Spain has a LOT of Sunshine.

So who wins in the long run?

What I am seeing is the Coal will wind up going into Oil.
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Old 10-29-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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And Spain has a LOT of Sunshine.
All that sun isn't going to help them if their country collapses, I'm not going to suggest their green energy push had everything to do with it but it's certainly a factor. Only question is how much. Guess they better fire up those diesel generators. LOL
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