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Old 11-17-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Honda Civic Natural Gas took home Green Car Journal's 2012 Green Car of the Year award at the L.A. Auto Show on Thursday.

The Civic was lauded for being the cleanest running internal combustion vehicle as certified by the EPA and the only assembly-line produced natural gas passenger model for sale on the U.S. market.

Honda Civic wins Green Car of the Year award - Nov. 17, 2011
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Old 11-17-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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This car has been around for so long, I'm surprised that it remains the only one if it is, indeed, that clean.

It takes HOURS to refill at home. And NG refill stations are only in select areas, making it fairly impractical.
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Old 11-17-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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It takes HOURS to refill at home. And NG refill stations are only in select areas, making it fairly impractical.
Sounds just like the 100% electric cars...
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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Sounds just like the 100% electric cars...
True. In NJ, at least, employers are installing charge stations for electric cars at work.... so it becomes a bit more practical.
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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True. In NJ, at least, employers are installing charge stations for electric cars at work.... so it becomes a bit more practical.
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Not to get off topic (too far)...

But I never saw the motivation for electric cars. First, the electricity has to come from somewhere (gee, how about a nice polluting coal-burning power plant?). Only 19% of US energy is nuclear. NG power plants are cleaner than coal, but all I see is that we are just moving the pollution problem from being a distributed one (gas cars everywhere), to a few huge electricity power plants.... Perhaps I am missing something, but it looks like a zero-sum gain.

Well one big gain is from the car companies, as electric cars help their CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy), so they can build more 600HP Mustangs and Corvettes, and not get penalized. So I guess it is not all bad
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Old 11-18-2011, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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This car has been around for so long, I'm surprised that it remains the only one if it is, indeed, that clean.

It takes HOURS to refill at home. And NG refill stations are only in select areas, making it fairly impractical.
I was shocked to see proliferation of CNG powered vehicles in India. Virtually every bus (city transport), taxi and auto-rickshaw (tuk-tuk) uses CNG.

Do you know how long it takes to pump CNG into Civic GX using PHIL? (Honda was selling PHIL units with Civic GX a few years ago, and was involved in its development).
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:58 AM
 
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it would be great to have more of our vehicles running on a fuel that is produced in this country.

i used to have a 77 chevy truck that was rigged to run on propane or butane, had a 75 gallon tank mounted in the bed behind the cab that took 15-20 minutes to fill. the exhaust pipe on that thing was always clean as a whistle.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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Not to get off topic (too far)...

But I never saw the motivation for electric cars. First, the electricity has to come from somewhere (gee, how about a nice polluting coal-burning power plant?). Only 19% of US energy is nuclear. NG power plants are cleaner than coal, but all I see is that we are just moving the pollution problem from being a distributed one (gas cars everywhere), to a few huge electricity power plants.... Perhaps I am missing something, but it looks like a zero-sum gain.

Well one big gain is from the car companies, as electric cars help their CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy), so they can build more 600HP Mustangs and Corvettes, and not get penalized. So I guess it is not all bad
I think it's good that we do research in multiple areas. Especially electric. Who knows, maybe someone will invent a solar panel that's 100x more dense than today.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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I was shocked to see proliferation of CNG powered vehicles in India. Virtually every bus (city transport), taxi and auto-rickshaw (tuk-tuk) uses CNG.

Do you know how long it takes to pump CNG into Civic GX using PHIL? (Honda was selling PHIL units with Civic GX a few years ago, and was involved in its development).
All of our NJTransit buses are CNG as well. I'm sure it is in other areas of the country as well. These buses have their own fueling stations which make it practical.

PHIL takes an entire night to refill the Civic GX. This is not a problem with Phil, but rather an issue with the fact that residential CNG lines are too low of a pressure to provide a faster rate of filling the tank.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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it would be great to have more of our vehicles running on a fuel that is produced in this country.

i used to have a 77 chevy truck that was rigged to run on propane or butane, had a 75 gallon tank mounted in the bed behind the cab that took 15-20 minutes to fill. the exhaust pipe on that thing was always clean as a whistle.
IIRC, there is a real move in progress towards this with tractor trailers. Cummins is building the engines and a company coordinating with T Boone Pickens is contracting with Pilot/Flying J truck stops to install the NG fuel stations.

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Some city bus lines and school buses are also making the conversions in their fleets.
http://videos.kansascity.com/vmix_ho...#storylink=rss

Then we have to again question what is really "green" with the problems associated with ground water pollution and fracking.
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