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Old 02-10-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by forest beekeeper View Post
From what I have been seeing they are being paid to grow those crops. Just like here in the USA.
where have you seen that?

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GMO crops offer the 'hope' of one day in the future producing larger yields. That day has not arrived yet, it is yet a future hope.
so farmers are spending extra money to purchase GM seeds even though it doesn't give them better production?
i don't think so...

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The efficacy of transgenic plant varieties in increasing production and lowering production costs is already demonstrable. In 1996 and 1997, the cultivation of virus-, insect-, and herbicide-resistant plants accounted for a 5% to 10% increase in yield as well as for savings on herbicides of up to 40% and on insecticides of between $60 and $120 (U.S. dollars) per acre.
http://www.plantphysiol.org/content/124/3/923.full

 
Old 02-10-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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where have you seen that? ...
The gospel of Earl Butz theology has spread world wide.

Farming crops that produce ZERO profit is common today, it is only the subsidy check you get that makes it profitable.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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The gospel of Earl Butz theology has spread world wide.

Farming crops that produce ZERO profit is common today, it is only the subsidy check you get that makes it profitable.
right, but that could apply to ANY/ALL crops, not just GM crops - which seems to be what you were implying. on top of that you have farmers getting paid NOT to plant in some instances.

why don't we try to limit this discussion to GM crops.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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LOL

Nobody gets paid to grow organic crops.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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May be the USA will also adopt the political climate of South America?
DEveloping countries also have child labor, human trafficking , and dictators who careless for the people.
Take your rant over to P&OC...
 
Old 02-10-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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Wealthy corporations [with questionable ethics] are easily able to take advantage over poor nations; and in the process they grow wealthier.
Like I told another poster, take your political rant over to P&OC where they thrive on discussing what you are talking about.

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Old 02-10-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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Problem is NOTHING else will grow in land saturated with ROUND UP...
Roundup is a broad-spectrum herbicide, has nothing to do with this thread and is off-topic.

Would you grow up and stay on topic please?
 
Old 02-10-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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LOL

Nobody gets paid to grow organic crops.
wrong. but good job trying to pick a tangent aside from the original topic.


NSAC – Organic Initiative
 
Old 02-10-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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Roundup is a broad-spectrum herbicide, has nothing to do with this thread and is off-topic.

Would you grow up and stay on topic please?

Has everything to do with why farmers cannot drop GMO seeds and return to conventional seeds...

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it's not as if dow, monsanto, bayer, syngenta et al. are going around giving money to farmers if they'll grow products from those companies - quite the opposite. if farmers want to grow GMO crops, they know from the get-go that they will have to pay a premium for the seeds, and promise not to replant any seed obtained. farmers everywhere will grow what they believe will give them the most bang for the buck, or best return on their investment in seeds, land, equipment, etc.

if growing GMO crops turns out to be a bad decision from the farmers' standpoint, for whatever reason, they are completely free to go back to non-GMO crops. obviously most are not, because they're getting better production and making more profit now.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 09:44 PM
 
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Has everything to do with why farmers cannot drop GMO seeds and return to conventional seeds...
I find it hilarious that other countries (both first, second and third world countries) are increasing their planting of GM crops for all the benefits derived from them and yet a miniscule number of people because of their phobia towards anything modern seem to think GM crop production worldwide is on the decline.

Global GM crop production has been steadily increasing:



http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/agri_.../194.docu.html



http://www.isaaa.org/resources/publi...cutivesummary/

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