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View Poll Results: do you agree with using genetic engineering to move spinach genes into citrus trees to protect from
i am perfectly ok with this technology in this instance 3 15.79%
since i have yet to hear the word 'monsanto' used, i may be ok with this 1 5.26%
i might allow for this, since it involves moving genes from one plant to another 0 0%
i am against using genetic engineering in this and every other instance, no matter what. 12 63.16%
other - please elaborate 3 15.79%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-26-2012, 08:18 PM
 
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citrus greening, also known as citrus huanglongbing (HLB) [translates as 'yellow dragon' in chinese], has decimated citrus production around the world, particularly in florida, which has lost billions of dollars worth of production to this disease. texas, another huge citrus-producing state, announced that they, too, had this disease in january. california is the only large citrus state left uninfected, and they are just waiting to hear the bad news. they already have the insect vector present so it's probably just a matter of time.

University of Florida News – Citrus greening costs $3.63 billion in lost revenues and 6,611 jobs, new UF study shows

once a citrus tree gets this disease, there is no cure- only death in a matter of months. currently, the only control measures available are destroying the infected trees, and spraying large amounts of insecticide to control the insect vector of HLB.



there may be a long term solution, but it involves introducing spinach genes into oranges, lemons, limes, tangerines, any and all citrus, using genetic engineering:

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Citrus growers worldwide who currently have no cure for a devastating, tree-killing disease may soon find relief from an unlikely source: spinach.

Dr. Erik Mirkov, a Texas AgriLife Research plant pathologist at the Texas AgriLife Research and Extension Center at Weslaco, has transferred two genes from spinach into citrus trees, apparently providing resistance to citrus greening disease, or Huanglongbing, often referred to as HLB.

The transgenic trees have shown resistance in greenhouse trials and will soon be planted in Florida for field testing, he said.
http://agrilife.org/today/2012/03/26...-citrus-trees/
i am just curious whether the anti-GMO contingent would rather lose citrus production in this country entirely, or begrudgingly admit to the introduction of a couple of innocent spinach genes that could possibly save the day.

would it make any difference that the evil monsanto corp. is entirely uninvolved, or does that even matter to the anti-GMO people at this point?
or have people been so terrorized by nutbar anti-science websites that they will sacrifice even their orange juice, along with the livelihoods of thousands of citrus farmers?

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Old 03-26-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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Introduction of a couple of innocent spinach genes into foreign gene context could possibly save an orange tree from a particular strain of bugs. Unfortunately, "possibilities" are pretty much endless and far from being universally benign and predictable. Professor has NO CLUE about all the outcomes of messing with spinach genes, he has no clue about sublime effects of the modified citrus on your health and remnants of environment around citrus orchards . What's so hard to understand about that? You want to be a guinea pig, it's your choice, forgive us for not sharing your guinea pig passion.

Beside, it's not bugs that cause the problem. It's mega citrus industry of scale that is the culprit. How playing with GMO can fix faulty agricultural system that is 180 degree opposite to the natural ways? GMO bug war is no different than coming up with more and more potent chemical poisons to fight more and more resistant pests while destroying all the beneficial life in the process.

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Old 03-26-2012, 09:02 PM
 
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Screw science and modern technology, unless something can be proven to be 100% effective 100% of the time and will have guaranteed 0% negative effects on mankind, nature (both plant and animal) and the Universe we should do nothing, we should let people starve to death, let diseases run rampant throughout the world, let plagues decimate mankind and let entire species go extinct....

I support Monsanto and all the companies like them...

I do not see conspiracies under every rock and do not quake with fear whenever a wacko thinks that something might be, possibly be, could be or a study suggests that it might be dangerous.

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Old 03-26-2012, 09:18 PM
 
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Introduction of a couple of innocent spinach genes into foreign gene context could possibly save an orange tree from a particular strain of bugs.
yeah, that's the intention here.

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Unfortunately, "possibilities" are pretty much endless and far from being universally benign and predictable. Professor has NO CLUE about all the outcomes of messing with spinach genes, he has no clue about sublime effects of the modified citrus on your health and remnants of environment around citrus orchards .
what horrible consequences do you forsee here? aren't we already eating the gene products of spinach, every day and around the world?

what are 'sublime effects?'

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What's so hard to understand about that?
just about everything, until you can dilineate for us why it is such a horrifying idea.

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You want to be a guinea pig, it's your choice, forgive us for not sharing your guinea pig passion.
you, and i, are both guinea pigs. we have both been eating GM plant products since the mid 90s.

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Beside, it's not bugs that cause the problem. It's mega citrus industry of scale that is the culprit.
i would be interested in hearing how you would explain this concept to small citrus growers in florida, texas, china, brazil, jamaica, virgin islands, mexico, and all of the other small citrus growers throughout the world who are watching their trees die.

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How playing with GMO can fix faulty agricultural system that is 180 degree opposite to the natural ways? GMO bug war is no different than coming up with more and more potent chemical poisons to fight more and more resistant pests while destroying all the beneficial life in the process.
how is engineering resistance into a crop no different than spraying pesticides?

what is your solution to this terrible disease?

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Old 03-26-2012, 09:23 PM
 
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Screw science and modern technology, unless something can be proven to be 100% effective 100% of the time and will have guaranteed 0% negative effects on mankind, nature (both plant and animal) and the Universe we should do nothing, we should let people starve to death, let diseases run rampant throughout the world, let plagues decimate mankind and let entire species go extinct....
that is the apparent mindset of many - who nonchalantly drink their morning coffee, blissfully unaware that it contains dozens of chemicals scientifically dcoumented to cause cancer..

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I support Monsanto and all the companies like them...

I do not see conspiracies under every rock and do not quake with fear whenever a wacko thinks that something might be, possibly be, could be or a study suggests that it might be dangerous.
dude. 'do more research.'
monsanto is worse than hitler. this is worth mentioning, even though they have nothing whatsoever to do with this citrus research.

read alex jones and natural news.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I don't see a problem with it if they just let people know and maybe test it a bit. You don't know it's "innocent" till people eat it.

If a plant starts generating proteins that it doesn't normally do that you eat people should know, especially for allergies.

Personally, I don't care. I'd eat it and if if tastes better I'd eat more of it.

I don't see the problem with just telling people what they are putting in their mouth.
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Old 03-27-2012, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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If these anti-science nutcases had it their way we'd still be living in the dark ages.
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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tDude. 'do more research.'
monsanto is worse than hitler. this is worth mentioning, even though they have nothing whatsoever to do with this citrus research.

read alex jones and natural news.
Hmmm... Here I thought that Hitler was alive, and actually OWNED Monsanto.

I guess you learn something every day!
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Old 03-27-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: WA
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I'm interested in your 3rd choice:
"i might allow for this, since it involves moving genes from one plant to another"
What made you include this option? Have you heard of people saying that GMO is ok as long as its within Kingdom?
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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I'm interested in your 3rd choice:
"i might allow for this, since it involves moving genes from one plant to another"
What made you include this option? Have you heard of people saying that GMO is ok as long as its within Kingdom?
i have often heard people imply this - when they go a rant against GMOs, they often invoke frog, fish, and human genes being combined with plants.

but generally, if you ask them if they are OK with plant-to-plant transfers, they go strangely silent.
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