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Old 05-11-2012, 02:50 PM
 
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Even if it is....I'd take that any day over nuclear power stations!
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:22 AM
 
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Nuclear, if you can avoid TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima type accidents, has fairly benign environmental issues compared to coal, but the cost of nuclear is a show stopper. The $14 B expansion to Plant Vogtle in Georgia just went up another billion.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:07 AM
 
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Hmmm... so if I put up some small windmills in my orchard, I could help keep my fruit trees from freezing?

If you read the original article, it makes the point that the temp gain in large windfarms was only +1C, and localized.

When my winter temps go down to -30F, somehow this doesn't seem to have a whole lotta impact.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Hmmm... so if I put up some small windmills in my orchard, I could help keep my fruit trees from freezing?

If you read the original article, it makes the point that the temp gain in large windfarms was only +1C, and localized.

When my winter temps go down to -30F, somehow this doesn't seem to have a whole lotta impact.
A lot of citrus farmers would jump at a 1 C temperature increase.
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Old 05-13-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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In places that are already too hot for their good, I can see where +1 C could be problematic. I think most marginal winter areas with brief hard cold snaps would see the warmer microclimate created as a beneficial growing season extender. Don't think it would make much of a difference to really cold areas.
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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In places that are already too hot for their good, I can see where +1 C could be problematic. I think most marginal winter areas with brief hard cold snaps would see the warmer microclimate created as a beneficial growing season extender. Don't think it would make much of a difference to really cold areas.
The temperature change is at night. Wind generally isn't going to affect daytime temps.
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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The temperature change is at night. Wind generally isn't going to affect daytime temps.
Crop killing frosts are also at night, hence why the microclimate created by a wind turbine could be seen by some as beneficial.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:14 AM
 
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DC -- not so much dogging you on this, but . . .

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Nuclear, if you can avoid TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima type accidents,

Your mileage may vary. Sort of like saying -- "If you can avoid Icebergs, lifeboats are not really needed . . . ."

So how did Nukes EVER pass any sort of basic Ethics consideration?

Weapons and Money?

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has fairly benign environmental issues compared to coal,
Until and unless someone actually tries to clean up the mess left behind.

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but the cost of nuclear is a show stopper. The $14 B expansion to Plant Vogtle in Georgia just went up another billion.
THAT is all that keeps them going. You and I are both on the Money side of this game. They keep going because the EPC Contractors (Engineering, Procurement, and Construction) can may so much crazy, mostly unaccountable money.

Just the extra billion you cited -- we both know that covers most of a new (any other type) power plant. Then who even needs to pee away the first $14 Billion?

And then the Nuke makes baseload power -- which is totally surplus -- and is not optimized for the daily or seasonal peak.

If EPC-land really needs to scam some money and did not mind doing something useful -- it would more likely be cleaning up the mess from 100+ existing nukes.

When and if we figure that out here, maybe we could do that around the world.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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Hmmm... so if I put up some small windmills in my orchard, I could help keep my fruit trees from freezing?

If you read the original article, it makes the point that the temp gain in large windfarms was only +1C, and localized.

When my winter temps go down to -30F, somehow this doesn't seem to have a whole lotta impact.
Usually the frost nights will be very clear and calm?

If so, not so much wind to work with.

Have you seen the big double ended fans (about small windmill sided) used in orchards?

Pondering this a little - if you used induction motor generators -- you could put power on the windmill to spin the blade on a calm "frosty" nights. And the rest of the time (when the wind is blowing) generate power.

While it would not be optimal for either, it would be a dual-use device and could have some real merit.
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:14 AM
 
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Crop killing frosts are also at night, hence why the microclimate created by a wind turbine could be seen by some as beneficial.
Yep. Except I don't think there's a good wind resource in most areas where citrus is grown.
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