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Old 06-16-2012, 06:58 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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I'm curious because there is a HUGE connection between our environmental health and factory faming.

Any Vegetarians out there? Any one leaning Vegetarian or Vegan?
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:03 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Anyone?
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:09 PM
 
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What is the HUGE connection?

Accredited news sources will be acceptable....
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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No, no. No, and no.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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I'm a vegetarian (food-wise, I'm vegan), but I'm not sure my reasons are "green". In my case, it's more a matter of animal rights and of trying to avoid/minimise cruelty against other sentient beings.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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What is the HUGE connection?

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Sheena12?
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:14 AM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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I definitely believe cattle farming is detrimental to the environment but I do consume meat. I try to minimize how much I eat. Hardly ever eat stakes or beef ribs. I have burgers about once a week and occasionally meatloaf and hot dogs. All the finer foods . I'm also doing my part not to spawn more meat eaters.

Then again if everyone was a vegetarian, I'm not sure we'd have any forests left. There's be a lot more demand for crops. More and more chemicals and irrigation needed. I could be wrong but that's one of the things I wonder about.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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I am NOT a vegetarian or vegan because I know that humans are physically adapted omnivores and require nutrients our digestive systems can only derive from animal products or derive more efficiently from animal products (Vitamin B-12, Vitamin A, Vitamin D, Vitamin K, protein, etc). I also believe that raising livestock conscientiously with species appropriate diets and housing is a large part of any sustainable and self-sustaining farming operation; animals and plants living together in mutually beneficial relationships, just like it occurs in nature.

My concern with factory farming isn't anti-meat/anti-livestock, it's about the methods used which are not sustainable, humane, environmentally conscientious or species appropriate in most cases. The documented risks are extensive, but here are a few:

Airborne Bacteria in CAFOs: Transfer of Resistance from Animals to Humans
Antibiotic resistant enterococci and staph... [Sci Total Environ. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
Airborne Multidrug-Resistant Bacteria Isolated from a Concentrated Swine Feeding Operation
National Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production | Reports
John Robbins: Why Factory Farms Threaten Your Health
Environment, factory farms harm the environment - The Issues - Sustainable Table (summary, please also read the linked sources in the bibliography at the bottom of the page)
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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I definitely believe cattle farming is detrimental to the environment but I do consume meat. I try to minimize how much I eat. Hardly ever eat stakes or beef ribs. I have burgers about once a week and occasionally meatloaf and hot dogs. All the finer foods . I'm also doing my part not to spawn more meat eaters.

Then again if everyone was a vegetarian, I'm not sure we'd have any forests left. There's be a lot more demand for crops. More and more chemicals and irrigation needed. I could be wrong but that's one of the things I wonder about.
Yep - that's one aspect that gets a lot of attention in "The Vegetarian Myth". It's a fallacy that livestock uses more land than crops. They both pretty much use the same amount of land and the same square footage provides us roughly the same amount of nutrients, but what you have to do to the land is completely different... livestock eat grass, weeds and brush which pretty much grow on their own without much cultivation; whereas food crops require a LOT of cultivation with tilling, fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and irrigation. Even if we didn't clear cut a forest for fields and used our best organic methods, food crops would still use more resources for the land area.

This infographic shows roughly how much land a family would require to grow & raise their own food in a temperate climate with decent soil quality... note how much space grains require

How big a yard do you need to live off the fat of the land?

It's not the animals or crops that are "bad", it's how we're raising and growing them that's causing problems. Concentrating operations (animal or plants) may be more efficient and profitable from a business perspective, but the land can't take it. Literally, the land on which the operation rests cannot produce enough nor process enough waste to sustain the operation without bringing in outside inputs and removing the wastes to somewhere else. The same amount of land gets used, but now you have to add in transportation and handling costs
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Not to mention, that green living doesn't equate with deprivation. You can treat the planet with respect, and still enjoy a good steak.
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