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Old 02-10-2013, 05:13 AM
 
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GMO labeling moving closer to a reality. Let the schills come forward.


Hawaii Celebrates as GMO Labeling Bill is Passed by Lawmakers

 
Old 02-10-2013, 07:51 AM
 
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GMO labeling moving closer to a reality. Let the schills come forward.


Hawaii Celebrates as GMO Labeling Bill is Passed by Lawmakers
Too bad it only applies to foods imported from outside Hawaii.....

I found one of the responses to that article to be enlightening:

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Hawaiian lawmakers need to educate themselves on GMO’s. Most GMO’s are grains, such as corn, soy, wheat, canola, cotton, etc. What good is labeling imported produce going to do. GMO’s will still be arriving in Hawaii in the forms of fast food, pre-packaged food products and condiments, soy products, cooking oils made from the above grains and meat products which have been fed GMO grains. Lets get real here. You have done nothing.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:54 PM
 
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As we have seen there has been numerous research studies done on GMO crops and the results for the most part appear diametrically opposed on almost everything.

As we have seen with this last French study of cancer in rats:

Six French Science Academies Dismiss Study Finding GM Corn Harmed Rats

It has found to be deeply flawed and biased towards discrediting GMO crops, exactly what we don't need.

htttp://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/six-french-science-academies-dismiss-study-finding-gm-corn-harmed-rats/

I'm throwing this out on the discussion table.

What is it going to take for both sides to develop accredited scientific studies and research that will be acceptable to all
parties?

Lets go with 10% from each side are fanatical and not even Jesus could help the crowd....

With almost everything there is a common meeting point where people with common sense can come together and see whats wrong on both sides and what compromises could be agreed upon to come to one achievable goal

As this thread goes its really accomplishing nothing except the baby talk slinging back and forth "my article is right and yours is wrong"

We can do three things:

1. Continue on like we've been doing, accomplishing nothing, posting articles most people refuse to read...

2. Find out what the accredited scientific facts are when one farmer reports nasty GMO crop decreases when numerous other farmers have experienced large crop yields.

3. After the French study where a specific genus of rats were used that are known to easily become cancer infected, more transparancy is required. Much more should be required by the GMO companies AND from the anti-GMO research and studies group.

These ridiculous claims from individual GMO farmers that their crops are dying, killing there livestock when other farmers on the same continent are experiencing record healthy crops the feed animals gladly eat.

There IS something to this glaring opposition of facts but we never see the actual FACTS, we see articles from both sides blaming the other, some claiming its a conspiracy...

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Old 02-17-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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In a village in India's poorest state, Bihar, farmers are growing world record amounts of rice – with no GM, and no herbicide


SOOOOOOOOOO if GMOs are the answer to world starvation (LOL) and are better to grow than conventional, WTF is happening in India?

This article is published by GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT, which is supported by BILL AND LINDA GATES who happen to own 500,000 shares of monsanto....

The reason for the "super yields" is entirely down to a method of growing crops called System of Root Intensification (SRI).
 
Old 02-17-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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From the same article:

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Not everyone agrees. Some scientists complain there is not enough peer-reviewed evidence around SRI and that it is impossible to get such returns. "SRI is a set of management practices and nothing else, many of which have been known for a long time and are best recommended practice," says Achim Dobermann, deputy director for research at the International Rice Research Institute. "Scientifically speaking I don't believe there is any miracle. When people independently have evaluated SRI principles then the result has usually been quite different from what has been reported on farm evaluations conducted by NGOs and others who are promoting it. Most scientists have had difficulty replicating the observations."

Dominic Glover, a British researcher working with Wageningen University in the Netherlands, has spent years analysing the introduction of GM crops in developing countries. He is now following how SRI is being adopted in India and believes there has been a "turf war".

"There are experts in their fields defending their knowledge," he says. "But in many areas, growers have tried SRI methods and abandoned them. People are unwilling to investigate this. SRI is good for small farmers who rely on their own families for labour, but not necessarily for larger operations. Rather than any magical theory, it is good husbandry, skill and attention which results in the super yields. Clearly in certain circumstances, it is an efficient resource for farmers. But it is labour intensive and nobody has come up with the technology to transplant single seedlings yet."
As I've previously posted, we should look at FACTS behind the headlines...

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Old 02-17-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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Just what are countries to do (like most of Asia) where their rice yields are lower year after year because their soils are phosphorus deficient?

Spray more chemicals to make up for the missing ones?

Can't get more organic and green than that can you??????

About 10 years ago, scientists deduced that Kalasath (a gene from a variety of rice called Kasalath, native to nutrient-poor soils of eastern India) contained one or more genes that allowed it to grow successfully in low-phosphorus conditions.

It took the scientific team three years to identify the gene responsible, which they named PSTOL1.

The scientists then used genetic engineering to transfer PSTOL1 into plants from two main rice lineages - indica and japonica.

When they were raised in phosphorus-poor soils, their yields were about 60% higher than un-modified plants.

BBC News - Wild rice gene gives yield boost
 
Old 02-17-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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Just what are countries to do (like most of Asia) where their rice yields are lower year after year because their soils are phosphorus deficient?

Spray more chemicals to make up for the missing ones?

Can't get more organic and green than that can you??????

About 10 years ago, scientists deduced that Kalasath (a gene from a variety of rice called Kasalath, native to nutrient-poor soils of eastern India) contained one or more genes that allowed it to grow successfully in low-phosphorus conditions.

It took the scientific team three years to identify the gene responsible, which they named PSTOL1.

The scientists then used genetic engineering to transfer PSTOL1 into plants from two main rice lineages - indica and japonica.

When they were raised in phosphorus-poor soils, their yields were about 60% higher than un-modified plants.

BBC News - Wild rice gene gives yield boost
the horror. clearly, it's better to dump more P on non-GMO rice plants.
 
Old 02-19-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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Monsanto's 'Terminator' Seeds Set To Make a Comeback

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"Monsanto and other biotechnology firms could be looking to bring back 'terminator' seed technology. The seeds are genetically engineered so that crops grown from them produce sterile seed. They prompted such an outcry that, as Slashdot noted, Monsanto's chief executive pledged not to commercialize them. But a case in the U.S. Supreme Court could allow farmers to plant the progeny of GM seeds rather than buying new seeds from Monsanto, making the technology attractive to biotech companies again. Some environmentalists also see 'terminator' seeds as a way of avoiding GM crops contaminating organic/non-GM crops."
Monsanto's 'Terminator' Seeds Set To Make a Comeback - Slashdot

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In the end, it seems most unlikely the Court will rule against Monsanto. At the highest level, the correct answer almost has to be that Monsanto has some way to protect its investment in the technology. Although petitioner tries mightily to suggest that Monsanto could protect the value of its investment through contracts or other non-patent mechanisms, Monsanto capably demolishes that contention in its brief.
Argument preview: Stakes are high in dispute over rights to genetically modified seeds : SCOTUSblog
 
Old 02-20-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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More than half of the world’s genetically modified crop area in 2012 was in developing rather than industrialised countries for the first time, according to the International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-Biotech Applications.

Genetically modified crops continue to march across the world’s farmlands, according to the leading annual survey of plant biotechnology. The area planted with GM grew by 6 per cent last year to 170.3m hectares.
Developing world boost for GM crops - FT.com
 
Old 02-20-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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an interesting graphic rebutting the strange idea that herbicide resistance is something new, and particular to monsanto:

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