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I did a study on A Nissan Leaf vs a Toyota Corolla.
That time is determined by when the leaf batteries need replacing, 150000 miles (currently 18000 bucks for battery change out). This is a guesstimate by scientists and Nissan.
Regardless, these are some numbers I came up with. In a 150000 miles a Corolla uses 4285 gallons of fuel(14997.50 using 3.50 a gallon), equaling 20 lbs CO2 per gallon. So, 85,700 lbs of CO2 at 150 K miles. Bad Bad Toyota.
The LEAF uses 37Kwh per 100 miles. At 9.2 Cent per Kwh, in my hood, that is 5100 dollars over 150000 miles. Correct me at anytime please. But, it takes about 45000 lbs of coal to produce the 55500 KWh needed to go the distance of 150000 miles. In emissions that equates to 2.93 Kg's of CO2 for every pound of coal burnt. That is about 295344 lbs of CO2. LEAF isnt so green.
I did all this without drinking a beer, so I am probably not correct.
My conclusion is the Corolla is a better/cheaper, (earth and financially),than the LEAF. Leaf is about 36k, Corolla about 18K.
So, SOLAR power is a waste of money as you will not get a return. Go buy a 'Rolla, cleaner and more affordable.
Green is good, but there is always something behind it to make you feel green, when in fact it isnt as green as you think.
Also,WHAT DO YOU DO WITH LITHIUM ION BATTERY'S when no good. EPA says throw them in the dump. Real clean huh...
Two friends I know took mid 90s Corvettes and made them Green. One is battery powered, like a leaf. And the other is Hydrogen powered. Both were made cheaper than a leaf/prius etc due to labor being done by them. Hydrogen gets 400 miles per 4 bottles he carries( these are built to aerospace safety guidelines)
That was all done assuming coal-powered electricity.
But in my neighborhood, even if I don't have PV panels, my electricity all comes from Hoover Dam.
I know there are Dams and Nuclear plants out there, but the majority of the country is Coal, at least for now.
Dams never hurt the environment, or nuclear. Safe as can be....
these are some numbers I came up with. In a 150000 miles a Corolla uses 4285 gallons of fuel(14997.50 using 3.50 a gallon),
On average 50 cents/gal. of that is fuel taxes which are used to maintain and build roads and bridges. This is another area the electric car is being subsidized by the gas powered car since there is no fuel tax.
On average 50 cents/gal. of that is fuel taxes which are used to maintain and build roads and bridges. This is another area the electric car is being subsidized by the gas powered car since there is no fuel tax.
The electric car really only benefits the customer, as they get tax benefits and such. Other than that, they arent environmentally friendly or safe. And tax payers pay for all your benefits, such as the 7500 tax break. I dont think its right you have to bribe a customer to buy a car and take it from everyone.
Also, I was involved in a Lithium Ion battery fire. I would never ever put my family in/near a Lithium Ion Battery vehicle. The batteries burnt so hot they melted Titanium, which needs 2500 degrees. And the fire only gave a few seconds warning when the batteries shorted.
I will stick to gasoline till battery cars are really safe and truly economical and environmentally sound.
... these are some numbers I came up with. In a 150000 miles a Corolla uses 4285 gallons of fuel(14997.50 using 3.50 a gallon) ..., ... [carbon blah] ..., ... The LEAF uses 37Kwh per 100 miles. At 9.2 Cent per Kwh, in my hood, that is 5100 dollars over 150000 miles. ... [more carbon granola crunch] ....
Corolla @ 150,000 miles would cost your $14,997 in fuel.
Leaf @ 150.000 miles would cost you $5,100 in fuel.
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... My conclusion is the Corolla is ... cheaper, ... than the LEAF. Leaf is about 36k, Corolla about 18K.
It sounds to me like the Leaf by spending $5,100 in fuel is cheaper to operate than the Corolla at $14,997.
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... So, SOLAR power is a waste of money ...
And your Leaf / corolla argument certainly supports this conclusion in what manner?
Corolla @ 150,000 miles would cost your $14,997 in fuel.
Leaf @ 150.000 miles would cost you $5,100 in fuel.
It sounds to me like the Leaf by spending $5,100 in fuel is cheaper to operate than the Corolla at $14,997.
And your Leaf / corolla argument certainly supports this conclusion in what manner?
The corolla is better for the economy (as Taxes are taken from me and everyone to make it affordable), corolla is better for the environment, and finally it is just a safer vehicle. Solar panels dont pay back over time. When they need to be replaced, much like battery's, there is No financial gain, there is a loss.
Because gasoline is so safe, economical and environmental ?
You claim to be a Submariner. Remember the Bonefish. Battery fires are horrible. That one was an old battery caused by many factors. But it was compatible as far as DC is concerned. There was another battery fire a few years ago in the Navy, ASDS. The battery's , Lithium IOn, are just not stable or recyclable, yet. They are an EPA hazard if in a car wreck and they are very explosive. The best car out there is the older Prius, as there battery's weren't LIon, as far as hybrids.
Gasoline is very clean, with the emission standards required. Look at how low emissions are. Two vehicles were noted to actually clean the air when in LA. Coal is what the media is crucifying with its carbon footprint, yet the corolla was far less..
I can see that you just want to argue and be somewhat sarcastic, which is a typical of us submariners, without agreeing to disagree. So I made my points and I am out of here.
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