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Old 09-18-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Kraft among others companies who in attempt to maximize profits paid scientists to skew research results so they may state that organic food is not any better then GMO or traditionally grown foods.

There, that sounds a bit more accurate
kraft had no involvement whatsoever with this study, so your attempt at 'accuracy' is rather ludicrous.
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:51 PM
 
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Cargill has donated millions to the Stanford Center on Food Security and the Environment.

Stanford-Cargill partnership strengthens to address food security issues - FSE

So it would appear that Stanford may have a vested interest in studying the studies that would support Cargill's agenda.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:04 PM
 
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Cargill has donated millions to the Stanford Center on Food Security and the Environment.

Stanford-Cargill partnership strengthens to address food security issues - FSE

So it would appear that Stanford may have a vested interest in studying the studies that would support Cargill's agenda.
Indeed. And multi-million dollar organic corporations have poured millions of dollars into the lawyer-written Proposition 37 - a law that could potentially lead to record-setting profits for them.

But of course, the Organic Industry is in it simply for "the good of humanity."

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Old 09-19-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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^^^^^ I hope you are not of the opinion that the organic foods industry exists "for the good of humanity" or that people go into that business solely for the purpose of serving mankind. People open businesses for a variety of reasons but the bottom line is to provide a service or product for which there is a market and which people will buy. The people who purchase that service or food do so for their own reasons; in the case of organically produced meats, dairy, fruits and vegetables it is primarily because people believe those food products are healthier. There are many people in this country who are leery of GMO foods and want to avoid them Who can say, at this point, there will be no long term negative impact on consumers of any, some or all GMO foods. In a free country, people have a right to know the truth about the foods they are consuming in order to make informed choices. The mega corporations that are behind the non-labeling of GMO foods fear their profits will be impacted negatively if producers are allowed to conceal whether the foods they are putting into the marketplace are GMO.

Your argument is specious. This fight is about the public's right to know, not about enriching the coffers for organic food producers. Those who don't care will buy it anyway; those who do care will avoid it.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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The experience of the Romans with their use of lead water pipes and lead cooking utensils is an excellent example of unforeseen consequences. Countless people were very slowly poisoned by the cumulative results of long term exposure to lead in their food and drinking water.

People want to know if the food they are eating is from GMO seeds or if the meat they are consuming came from animals fed GMO crops. In a free society people have the right to be informed so they can make their own choices.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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Some countries in Europe have banned GMO foods.

Check this article which reports on devastating results in rats feed GMO food.

Fresh fears over GM foods as French study finds rats fed the controversial crops suffered tumours and multiple organ failure | Mail Online

The jury will probably be out on GMO foods for a long time.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Some countries in Europe have banned GMO foods.

Check this article which reports on devastating results in rats feed GMO food.

Fresh fears over GM foods as French study finds rats fed the controversial crops suffered tumours and multiple organ failure | Mail Online

The jury will probably be out on GMO foods for a long time.
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Mark Tester, Research Professor, Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics, University of Adelaide, said: 'The first thing that leaps to my mind is why has nothing emerged from epidemiological studies in the countries where so much GM has been in the food chain for so long?

'If the effects are as big as purported, and if the work really is relevant to humans, why aren’t the North Americans dropping like flies?!

'GM has been in the food chain for over a decade over there – and longevity continues to increase inexorably!

'And if the effects are as big as claimed, why have none of the previous 100+ plus studies by reputable scientists, in refereed journals, noticed anything at all?'
Interesting questions indeed.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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Big George, are you in dispute of my contention that in a free society, people have the right to know what is in their food? If so, then where do you stand on the issue?
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:49 PM
 
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Big George, are you in dispute of my contention that in a free society, people have the right to know what is in their food? If so, then where do you stand on the issue?
I'm in favor of people making intelligent, informed choices. Proposition 37, which is written by a trial lawyer (gee, I wonder why?), and sponsored by the Organic Industry, is NOT about honest labeling and informing consumers. It is about MONEY.

If people want to know what's in their food, they can look. The problem is that most people are just flat-out stupid about GMOs (as well as pretty much everything else they consume). They don't know what they are, any more than they are aware of the fact that organic produce often has tons of "natural" chemicals dumped on it.

I'm all for HONEST labeling, and INTELLIGENT choices being made. But that is NOT what today's Multi-Billion Dollar Organic Industry is all about.

I am NOT in favor of slander - which is what today's Multi-Billion Dollar Organic Industry IS all about.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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^^^^^^

People may be stupid and don't know how to make good choices but that isn't the question. It's about labeling and making information available to the public about the foods they consume. Do you favor letting people know which foods come from GMO crops or not?
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