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Old 12-06-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Childish as usual I see....
Childish?

Older Cars and Younger Wimmen.

You is a wild man.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Used Prius

I will be considering a used Prius as a potential economy car in the near future.

How is the battery pack evaluated?

Does a "dead" battery substantially lower the value of a used car.

Are batteries available at the junk yard?

How difficult are they to remove and install.

How well does the car operate with a dead battery?

Maybe.

How is THAT for a solid answer?

Have to keep in mind the Prius history. Never was about Electric, or even Good MPG.

Just about a Clean(er) air vehicle. Toyota wanted to make the high profit land yachts. But that would have pushed their corporate average into the nasty range. So they did the Prius a loss just to expand their Soccer Mom market.

Of course keeping the air clean meant burning less gas, so when the 200X round of Peak Oil hit, Prius had a lucky moment of being the car of great MPG.

But the electric motor could only handle around 35 mph before the gas engine kicked in, and that was pretty limiting for Full Electric.

Next round Prius put in a bigger (or second?) electric motor, so it could do 60 mph without the gas engine kicking in.

Finally they are adding the Pre-Charge option. So that gives you something like 17 miles on Pre-Charged Electric. 10 years into the game and they almost (only almost) have a functional product.

Now your question. Could you take an old Prius and make it into the new(est) Prius? Is that where you are heading? Maybe. The popular hack / patch was your own battery pack and charger. Some guys down to Austin have been doing that for some years now, for around town, and under 35 mph.

If I were going to go the effort, I might consider choosing an old Gremlin or Pacer (both very campy) and do a full electric conversion.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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People sure talk out of both sides of their mouth on this thread. So the Volt is a fail EV, though some on here have called it a Hybrid, but the Prius isn't included in the discussions. LOL
Maybe if you'd actually read the thread you'd know why the Volt in particular blurs the line between EV and hybrid.
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Old 12-06-2012, 04:52 PM
 
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The Volt is a hybrid just like a Prius.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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The Volt is a hybrid just like a Prius.
No it isn't; it functions very differently from a Prius. For starters the Volt has a much larger battery pack and is designed to run on 100% electric with no assistance from the ICE most of the time. Additionally, the Prius is still primarily driven by a gasoline ICE and the electric motor provides assistance to the ICE. The Volt operates the other way around; it's powered by the electric motor at all times and occasionally assisted by the ICE. Even when the ICE is engaged, its main function is to provide power to the battery pack, not to the drive wheels. Only in narrow instances does the ICE assist in powering the drive wheels directly; and even then it's assisting the electric motor rather than the other way around.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:19 PM
 
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No it isn't; it functions very differently from a Prius. For starters the Volt has a much larger battery pack and is designed to run on 100% electric most of the time. Additionally, the Prius is still primarily driven by a gasoline ICE and the electric motor provides assistance to the ICE. The Volt is powered by the electric motor at almost all times. Even when the ICE is engaged, its main function is to provide power to the battery pack, not to the drive wheels. Only in narrow instances does the ICE assist in powering the drive wheels directly; and even then it's assisting the electric motor rather than the other way around.
I didn't mean that they work the same way. I meant that the Volt is a hybrid. It is not an EV.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:24 PM
 
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I didn't mean that they work the same way. I meant that the Volt is a hybrid. It is not an EV.
It's an EV in the sense that the wheels are driven by electricity 100% of the time. That's what makes it a genre-bender. And its "more EV than hybrid" attributes are why it's priced more like an EV than a conventional hybrid and why its sales numbers have been disappointing like other EVs.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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It's an EV in the sense that the wheels are driven by electricity 100% of the time. That's what makes it a genre-bender. And its "more EV than hybrid" attributes are why it's priced more like an EV than a conventional hybrid and why its sales numbers have been disappointing like other EVs.
A Prius' wheels are driven by electricity 100% of the time as well. But 90% of that time, it's also driven by an ICE as well.... hence hybrid.

A Volt's wheels are driven by electricity 100% of the time as well. But 5% of the time a clutch is engaged in which the ICE powers the wheels... hence hybrid.

Both cars have EV modes. The Volt stays in EV mode most of the time.

What disqualifies the Volt from being an EV is the clutch that engages the ICE to transfer power into the drive train.
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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A Prius' wheels are driven by electricity 100% of the time as well.
Nope.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:03 PM
 
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Nope.
Yes. There is no time when the Prius is accelerating and the traction motor is sitting idle.

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