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Why don't people take recharging time into account when swooning over EV technology?
Good question, there.
Because it does not matter to us. I follow you do not track that, but that is the case.
Sorry to just give a dumb to what seems to be a dumb question (really not slamming you at all on that) but that particular matter . . . does not matter.
I guess if one had a fleet of say delivery trucks - like UPS - it could be done with short trailer battery-pack-trailers. Just station the trailers around town and swap and go. About like using a cordless drill with several battery packs.
What does matter to me is range -- my customer sites are typically 100 to 150 miles out one way -- rural power generation, chemical and oil and gas sites, as well as renewable. I can recharge at home or there for free, but there aint nutting much but Pine Trees, Big Prairie, or Scrub-brush in between. So a 75 mile electric-only Ford is a No Go, and as you may have followed I think the Volt folks were total idiots for only putting in two back seats and requiring only Premium Gasoline for the generator.
Looks like the Tesla-S may be a winner, but I already come off as enough of an ass I do not want what in Texas Blue Collar world would come off as an got-an-attitude car. My preferred would be an electric 4wd pickup truck that could maybe do 50 to 100 miles on straight-up electric, with a generator back up that could Flex Fuel up to E100.
But aint nobody even talking about building that for me. May build it myself.
Because it does not matter to us. I follow you do not track that, but that is the case.
Sorry to just give a dumb to what seems to be a dumb question (really not slamming you at all on that) but that particular matter . . . does not matter.
First off when were you elected spokesperson for all Americans?
So "Why don't people take recharging time into account" is a stupid question that does not matter to anyone else in America except me...
First off when were you elected spokesperson for all Americans?
So "Why don't people take recharging time into account" is a stupid question that does not matter to anyone else in America except me...
Your arrogance and elitism is remarkable....
Sure. We are almost like a matched pair of bookends on that.
"All Americans" are not buying or even shopping Electric Cars.
In raw numbers only a very small percentage are. But for those that are, I am not untypical. You know me, I talk with a LOT of people. Including and especially those with some variants of Electric Vehicles.
I follow that you are not. So how could you understand those that are, since you cannot accept any new information that does not fit your preconceived concepts and beliefs?
I also follow that you cannot get past the idea of modification of someone's driving habits or some such.
Real deal is that most of US do not care about your particular habits. Sorry, Princess.
^^ You seem to be missing the cause/effect relationship. The reason why only a small percentage of Americans are shopping for electric cars is precisely because of its limitations, extended charge times being one of them. There's a lot of work to be done to overcome this issue along with others like the cost, size, and weight of the battery pack -- and of course range, but that issue is directly related to the cost/size/weight of the battery packs. Oh yeah, and recharging infrastructure too. Once those issues are sufficiently addressed that EVs can fit American driving habits and be priced relatively competitively to their gas counterparts, there will be a lot more than "only a small percentage" of Americans shopping for EVs.
Does not match what I am hearing from the wider audience.
Those No-Goes are usually just about:
#1. Price. They do the math and find that a low cost, higher mileage Gasoline car turns out both less money upfront and in the long run for them; and
#2. Fear of Battery Pack failure. Sort of a make-believe fear, but those fears exist.
Really. I have asked around. Never heard a complaint about Charging Times -- except for folks who are making a laundry list of complaints -- and are not buyers anyway. Like pspit.
But I agree for a Would-Be buyer -- Like I am (I am already past the #1 and #2 above) the range matters, and that No-Goes the Ford, but Green Lights the Tesla.
Because it does not matter to us. I follow you do not track that, but that is the case.
Sorry to just give a dumb to what seems to be a dumb question (really not slamming you at all on that) but that particular matter . . . does not matter.
I guess if one had a fleet of say delivery trucks - like UPS - it could be done with short trailer battery-pack-trailers. Just station the trailers around town and swap and go. About like using a cordless drill with several battery packs.
Your answer about charging time would be more instructive to me if you stated why charging time does not matter to you. I can guess (use of the car would be as a commuter and you are willing to give up on taking the car out at midnight on a whim and also give up putting in an unusally long driving day in response to ususual circumstances) but my guess might be way off. Why leave us guessing? And I am not talking about fleet use, but rather from the standpoint of an individual owner.
Clarification: I have no dog in this fight, i.e., no particular ideology one way or the other. However, I am often frustrated that your obvious skill at finding clever ways to skewer a debating opponent often takes precedence over a clear and linear exposition and rationale of your actual stance on a given matter. I would prefer more of the latter and less of the former in order to both understand your point better and to learn from it.
Lithium supplies will kill the electric car. Point source, transmission and emission efficiency should also be recognized by the electric car user as not so great. Coal or tar liquefaction is America's killer of electric car. Unless we rewind 30 years and restore the push for "too cheap to meter" plants, where construction and capital interest and operating labor are 85% of the cost, the future is endless petrol.
Your answer about charging time would be more instructive to me if you stated why charging time does not matter to you. I can guess (use of the car would be as a commuter and you are willing to give up on taking the car out at midnight on a whim and also give up putting in an unusally long driving day in response to ususual circumstances) but my guess might be way off. Why leave us guessing? And I am not talking about fleet use, but rather from the standpoint of an individual owner.
Clarification: I have no dog in this fight, i.e., no particular ideology one way or the other. However, I am often frustrated that your obvious skill at finding clever ways to skewer a debating opponent often takes precedence over a clear and linear exposition and rationale of your actual stance on a given matter. I would prefer more of the latter and less of the former in order to both understand your point better and to learn from it.
Most families have two cars. The EV can come the predictabe commute with overnight charging and the second car can handle the long driving days and nightime use.
Your answer about charging time would be more instructive to me if you stated why charging time does not matter to you.
To me? I guess I can do that one without claims of speaking for anyone else, even, huh? Ok. For me, just talking me -- my trips of anything longer than 1 or 2 miles to take the kids to school or the grocery store are around 100 to 150 miles one way -- out to a power plant, chemical, oil or gas, or renewable site.
Once I am there, I am there to work so I settle in for a 10 to 12 hour day. I can get a full charge on the front end before I leave, and get a full recharge at the site. So for me -- Again for me -- range is what matters FAR more than charging time.
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I can guess (use of the car would be as a commuter and you are willing to give up on taking the car out at midnight on a whim
Midnight I am asleep. Or poking on the computer if I have some work I am not really doing. But you can pull a battery off a charger for a quick use if needed, and put it back on. It just costs you on morning use.
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and also give up putting in an unusally long driving day in response to ususual circumstances) but my guess might be way off.
Why leave us guessing?
I was not really trying to educate you, but since you asked, you are more than welcome to share any knowledge I have acquired, and I will attempt to do so politely and graciously.
Was not really trying to even debate anything. Pspit has been whining for . . . years now, I guess . . . about why if something changes his or whomever's habits it must be bad, and is now largely just ignored. That is almost more the topic than the EV's.
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And I am not talking about fleet use, but rather from the standpoint of an individual owner.
I was actually curious on some of this myself, and annoyed with the crappy spec and design job Chevy did with the Volt -- so I started asking around likely would-be buyers, since I am sorely tempted to build what I cannot buy.
About the closest user model I found was factory sites with Electric Forklifts. Managers of those sites always seem to have two upfront concerns -- same ones I listed above for likely would be buyers of Electric Vehicles -- #1 What are the costs? #2 What is the battery (or equipment) lifetime?
Further down is typically the run-time -- will it make a full shift? (or full-trip like what I am talking about above),
but . . . NEVER the charging time. It is just assumed that the Forklifts will go over to the rack, be put on the charger and the workcrew goes home. Come back later and ready to go. Same way I would use an EV.
Works the same on Battery Tools. We tend to use the Big Yellow Dewalts. But I see other brands on sites, lately, so I am probably past the trends. But whether using them or just watching, again the Order of Priority is: #1 Price. #2 Lifetime. #3 Runtime. And nobody cares how fast they charge. Just get a spare battery and swap during the day.
Same on cell phones. #1 Price. #2 Lifetime or durability. #3 Runtime. and again, no one ever asks how long it takes to charge.
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Clarification: I have no dog in this fight, i.e., no particular ideology one way or the other. However, I am often frustrated that your obvious skill at finding clever ways to skewer a debating opponent often takes precedence over a clear and linear exposition and rationale of your actual stance on a given matter.
Do you follow that there is not even a debate going on? Pspit has an agenda and forum to rant about "EV Suck! They Suck I Tells You!" On my side I poke the bear to see if there is any substance. I would love it he had some. Have not found any yet. You can learn a lot from opposition research (not talking about competitor research -- but rather from from an actual opposing force). That is the purpose of OPFOR study and gaming in the military.
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I would prefer more of the latter and less of the former in order to both understand your point better and to learn from it.
Just ask, any time you want.
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Why does charging time not matter to you?
